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The Nicene Creed
Topic Started: Sunday, 29. April 2007, 23:09 (430 Views)
Eve
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We believe in one God,
the Father Almighty,
maker of heaven and earth,
of all that is, seen and unseen.

We believe in one Lord, Jesus Christ,
the only Son of God,
eternally begotten of the Father,
God from God, Light from Light;
true God from true God,
begotten, not made,
of one Being with the Father.
Through Him all things were made.
For us men and for our salvation,
He came down from heaven:
by the power of the Holy Spirit
He became incarnate from the Virgin Mary,
and was made man. All bow
For our sake He was crucified under Pontius Pilate;
He suffered death and was buried.
The third day He rose again
in accordance with the Scriptures;
He ascended into heaven,
and is seated at the right hand of the Father.
He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead,
and His kingdom will have no end.

We believe in the Holy Spirit, the Lord, the Giver of life,
who proceeds from the Father and the Son.
With the Father and the Son He is worshipped and glorified.
He has spoken through the Prophets.
We believe in one holy catholic and apostolic Church.
We acknowledge one baptism for the remission of sins.
We look for the resurrection of the dead, and the life of the world to come.
Amen.
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Eve
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Would members be interested in discussing the Creed, starting with the first two words? We could see how it goes and gradually move onwards through the prayer.
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Joseph

I prefer the 'I believe' version that contained 'He descended into Hell',
and I noted that our Archbishop (Kelly) quoted from those words in his
(excellent) Diocesen Letter today - Vocations' Sunday.

Joseph
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Rose of York
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Joseph
Apr 29 2007, 11:35 PM
I prefer the 'I believe' version that contained 'He descended into Hell',
and I noted that our Archbishop (Kelly) quoted from those words in his
(excellent) Diocesen Letter today - Vocations' Sunday.

The Nicene Creed

from 1962 Missal

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I believe in one God, The Father Almighty, Maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible. And in one Lord, Jesus Christ, the Only-begotten Son of God. Born of the Father before all ages. God of God, Light of Light, true God of true God. Begotten, not made, of one substance with the Father. By whom all things were made. Who for us men and for our salvation came down from heaven. (here all present kneel) And became incarnate by the Holy Spirit of the Virgin Mary: AND WAS MADE MAN. (here all arise) He was also crucified for us, suffered under Pontius Pilate, and was buried. And on the third day He rose again according to the Scriptures. He ascended into heaven and sits at the right hand of the Father. He will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead and His kingdom will have no end. And in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Giver of life, Who proceeds from the Father and the Son. Who together with the Father and the Son is adored and glorified, and who spoke through the prophets. And one holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church. I confess one baptism for the forgiveness of sins and I await the resurrection of the dead and the life + of the world to come. Amen.
Keep the Faith!

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Rose of York
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Eve put the New Rite version on here.

Now we also have the version we used to say. There are parts I prefer in the new version.

One thing the moderators ask of all members (I must make clear this is not aimed at Joseph who prefers the original translation):

Please no "knocking V2"

Now I have got that over and done with, I will join in the discussion.
Keep the Faith!

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Rose of York
Apr 29 2007, 11:47 PM
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I believe.

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We believe in one God,


I as an individual believe in one God.

We, the members of the Church, or a parish, believe in one God.

The first is a challenge to my personal faith. If I do not mean it I should not say it.

The second is a joint declaration of faith. I have no idea what the man who sits on the far end of the fourth pew from the back believes.

I, an individual, am at Mass. The parish, a body of people, gathers for Mass.

So, which version should we pray? I say whichever is a correct translation of the original Nicene Creed.


Keep the Faith!

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nelly k

Idont have a problem with either, I dont know why people worry about these things. nelly
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Gerard

In Mass we are worshiping collectively, that is together, and during collective prayer I have a preference for we.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard

Joseph
Apr 29 2007, 10:35 PM
I prefer the 'I believe' version that contained 'He descended into Hell',
and I noted that our Archbishop (Kelly) quoted from those words in his
(excellent) Diocesen Letter today - Vocations' Sunday.

Joseph,

That is the Apostles creed. I think I also prefer it.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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nelly k

so is there 3 ways to say the Creed? nelly
Apostles
New Rite
Nicene
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Gerard

Nelly,

I would say no. The Apostles Creed and the Nicene Creed are different Creeds (though they say much the same things). There are even more creeds than this. A creed is just a way of trying to sum up the central beliefs of the faith in a short statement. The Apostles Creed is older shorter and simpler. many believe it can be traced back to the Apostles each of whom added one statement of belief.

The Nicene Creed was developed at the Council of Nicea in about 350 AD when there was much debate about the nature of God and the Trinity. Hence it contains words like "consubstantial" (of one being with [The Father]) and proceeds (The Holy Spirit who proceeds from the Father and The Son).

Saying we believe is a modification to try to demonstrate that we are praying together rather than individually.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard

Nelly

There is a good article on the Apostles Creed here:

http://www.therealpresence.org/courses/lesson4.htm

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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K.T.B.

An Italian friend of mine noticed that in British churches we tend to mumble the words " We Believe" as if we don't really mean them! She said that in Italy the equivalent words in Italian, as well as the rest of the prayer, are said with much more gusto and conviction!
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nelly k
Apr 30 2007, 12:15 AM
Idont have a problem with either, I dont know why people worry about these things. nelly

Knocking decisions made by the Bishops and Pope gives some people something to occupy their time.

:rofl:

They are sad.
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I think everyone will know my response.

When saying any Creed alone I would say: "I believe". As a member of a congregation during Holy Mass I prefer to say: "We believe".

I think there is a danger that if a Celebrant alone recites or sings the Creed and begins: "I believe" or the equivalent in any other language the Altar Servers and Congregation will just listen.

I shall await until we progress before making comments on later phrases.
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