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Gospel Puzzles?; [Revised Catholic Edition]
Topic Started: Tuesday, 24. April 2007, 22:25 (1,411 Views)
Clare
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Mairtin
Thursday, 12. August 2010, 11:00
You and we accept scientific opinion every time we press a switch and expect our electric light to come on; we accept every time we use our computers or our cars or any of the myriad of things that science has brought us. We place our very lives in the hands of scientists when we swallow drugs given to us by our doctors or let them knock us out completely and slice us open with a knife.

Why on earth should we reject scientific opinion in other areas when the only people opposing it are doing so purely on the basis of an interpretation of the Bible that is not even endorsed by our own Church?
I know that when I press a switch the light comes on. It might be a co-incidence, but it seems unlikely!

And, no, I don't always trust medical opinion. Vaccines and fluoride for example. I want to try a drug that my doctor and specialist will not prescribe me!
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Also, some scientists and doctors do not believe in God.

Most of them seem to be fine with abortion and contraception.
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Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 17:41
Also, some scientists and doctors do not believe in God.

Most of them seem to be fine with abortion and contraception.
Are you seriously saying that if a wonder drug for cancer were discovered tomorrow, you would reject it if you found out that the scientist who discovered it approved of contraception?
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Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 17:35
And, no, I don't always trust medical opinion. Vaccines and fluoride for example. I want to try a drug that my doctor and specialist will not prescribe me!


Clare
 
Also, some scientists and doctors do not believe in God.
Some dealers don't believe in God.

Gotcha!
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Keep the Faith!

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Clare
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Mairtin
Monday, 23. August 2010, 19:35
Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 17:41
Also, some scientists and doctors do not believe in God.

Most of them seem to be fine with abortion and contraception.
Are you seriously saying that if a wonder drug for cancer were discovered tomorrow, you would reject it if you found out that the scientist who discovered it approved of contraception?
No.

I am saying that doctors can be wrong.

Whereas you seemed to be implying that I ought to trust everything they say.
Edited by Clare, Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:17.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:03
Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 17:35
And, no, I don't always trust medical opinion. Vaccines and fluoride for example. I want to try a drug that my doctor and specialist will not prescribe me!


Clare
 
Also, some scientists and doctors do not believe in God.
Some dealers don't believe in God.

Gotcha!
:rofl:
Just to clarify :grin:

The drug I would like to try is legal, and some doctors do prescribe it! But most seem unwilling to, even though it is safer than the things they routinely prescribe.

It's all to do with Big Pharma.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 19:35
Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 17:41
Also, some scientists and doctors do not believe in God.

Most of them seem to be fine with abortion and contraception.
Are you seriously saying that if a wonder drug for cancer were discovered tomorrow, you would reject it if you found out that the scientist who discovered it approved of contraception?
Oh, incidentally I would reject a miracle treatment for cancer (or MS) if it were unethical.

And doctors aren't known for being keen to uphold pro-life ethics these days. The end justifies the means as far as they're concerned.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:15
I am saying that doctors can be wrong.

Whereas you seemed to be implying that I ought to trust everything they say.
I have implied no such thing as that would be contrary to the very principle of science which is that there is no final answer, there is always more to be learned and that learning is only possible through constant challenge to current thinking. The only rule that science imposes is that such challenge has to be based on reason and logic, not unevidenced opinion.

When you reject things like the Big Bang and insist on geocentrism, you are not doing so on the basis of logic or reason or scientific evidence - you are rejecting it simply because it conflicts with your particular interpretation of the Bible, an interpretation which is not even endorsed by the Church to which you belong, one of whose fundamental principles is the avoidance of such personal interpretation.
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Mairtin
Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:50
When you reject things like the Big Bang and insist on geocentrism, you are not doing so on the basis of logic or reason or scientific evidence - you are rejecting it simply because it conflicts with your particular interpretation of the Bible, an interpretation which is not even endorsed by the Church to which you belong, one of whose fundamental principles is the avoidance of such personal interpretation.
I may not be doing so on the basis of scientific evidence, Mairtin, because I am not a scientist, but there are scientists who are geocentrists, and they meet with ridicule.

And the Church does not condemn geocentrism, to the best of my knowledge. It isn't a heresy, is it?

Any new teachings which were not recognised by the Church before surely come under that warning of St Paul's that I have quoted often enough.

You would have us believe that what he actually wrote was:
"There will come a time when people will start to endure sound doctrine, and will be turned from fables unto the truth."

He didn't say that though. It was the other way around.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:59
there are scientists who are geocentrists, and they meet with ridicule.
For example?

Clare
 
And the Church does not condemn geocentrism, to the best of my knowledge. It isn't a heresy, is it?

The Church makes no statment on the matter because she correctly recognises that it is a scientific matter that has absolutely nothing to do with and has no impact on religion.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:59
You would have us believe that what he actually wrote was:
"There will come a time when people will start to endure sound doctrine, and will be turned from fables unto the truth."

He didn't say that though. It was the other way around.
I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
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Mairtin
Monday, 23. August 2010, 21:09
Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:59
You would have us believe that what he actually wrote was:
"There will come a time when people will start to endure sound doctrine, and will be turned from fables unto the truth."

He didn't say that though. It was the other way around.
I haven't a clue what you're talking about.
1 Timothy 4:3-4

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For there shall be a time, when they will not endure sound doctrine; but, according to their own desires, they will heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears: And will indeed turn away their hearing from the truth, but will be turned unto fables.


How very true.

People today will not endure sound doctrine (for example the truth of Genesis), but instead embrace the new doctrine of evolution, from their new "teachers", and in so doing, they reject the truth in favour of fables.

It applies to a lot of modern ideas.

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Monday, 23. August 2010, 21:08
Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 20:59
there are scientists who are geocentrists, and they meet with ridicule.
For example?
Scientists alive today who accept the biblical account of creation

Though, whether they're actually geocentrists I'm not sure. I'll dig a bit more around google.

Surely, though, merely accepting Genesis is "bad enough"!
Edited by Clare, Monday, 23. August 2010, 21:18.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 21:16
Though, whether they're actually geocentrists I'm not sure. I'll dig a bit more around google.

I doubt if you will find even that motley lot support geocentrism.

Does it not perturb you at all, Clare, that you have to resort to Protestant fundamentalist sites to get support for your ideas? It seems a rather bizarre contrast to your usual stance on Protestantism and your regular castigation of Church leaders for moving towards what you regard as a Protestant ethos in various aspects of the modern church.
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Monday, 23. August 2010, 21:55
Clare
Monday, 23. August 2010, 21:16
Though, whether they're actually geocentrists I'm not sure. I'll dig a bit more around google.

I doubt if you will find even that motley lot support geocentrism.

Does it not perturb you at all, Clare, that you have to resort to Protestant fundamentalist sites to get support for your ideas? It seems a rather bizarre contrast to your usual stance on Protestantism and your regular castigation of Church leaders for moving towards what you regard as a Protestant ethos in various aspects of the modern church.
If Protestant fundamentalists happen to agree with the Popes and Fathers, then I guess that makes the Popes and Fathers Protestant fundamentalist too.

Now, there are geocentrist scientists, I just haven't found a site that conveniently gives a list of them.
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