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Praying To Old Testament Prophets & Non Saints.
Topic Started: Sunday, 15. April 2007, 21:59 (568 Views)
Clare
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Rose of York
Apr 16 2007, 11:00 AM
Gerard
Apr 16 2007, 10:50 AM
Clare

The Gospel is GOOD NEWS  :D  :clap:

Gerry

Try telling that to someone who took no notice of the Gospel.

Has anyone heard the one about the cursed who will be told to depart into everlasting fire, which was prepared for the devil and his angels?

The Gospels are not for the faint hearted.

Yes,

It's good news for sheep and wheat.

Not so good for goats and chaff!

Clare.
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What a wealth of information Clare!

I think if you suggested to the average Catholic that he/she could pray to Abraham, Moses and others the response would be one of incredulousness. Also to suggest we pray to our loved ones in Heaven may raise eyebrows and cause a pause before concluding "Why not?". I was pleased to note that responses so far show that some do and I am sure the loved ones will be very happy to respond. Many years ago I knew a devout Catholic who prayed for the Holy Souls in Purgatory for his intentions and said he had never been let down.
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Gerard
Apr 16 2007, 11:18 AM
The Gospel is GOOD NEWS :D :clap:

Yes.

But do you deny that there will be a separation of sheep from goats?

That there will be a separation of wheat from chaff?

Do you deny that Our Lord said that it would be better if Judas had never been born?

Or that He said that anyone who scandalise a little one would be better off with a millstone round his neck and thrown into the sea?

Or that not everyone who says "Lord Lord" would enter the Kingdom of Heaven?

That the way to Heaven is straight and narrow, whereas the path to Hell is broad?

Presumption is a sin against Hope.

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I have no difficulty saying "Dad, I need a bit of help on this one". Sometimes I forget to thank him, but I suppose he got used to that when he was alive on Earth.

Is there anything in Scripture or Church teaching about asking for the intercession of our loved ones? There must be, because miracles, in response to requests for intercession, are used towards beatification and canonisation causes.
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The communion of saints is the spiritual solidarity which binds together the faithful on earth, the souls in purgatory, and the saints in heaven in the organic unity of the same mystical body under Christ its head, and in a constant interchange of supernatural offices. The participants in that solidarity are called saints by reason of their destination and of their partaking of the fruits of the Redemption (1 Corinthians 1:2 &151; Greek Text). The damned are thus excluded from the communion of saints. The living, even if they do not belong to the body of the true Church, share in it according to the measure of their union with Christ and with the soul of the Church. St. Thomas teaches (III:8:4) that the angels, though not redeemed, enter the communion of saints because they come under Christ's power and receive of His gratia capitis. The solidarity itself implies a variety of inter-relations: within the Church Militant, not only the participation in the same faith, sacraments, and government, but also a mutual exchange of examples, prayers, merits, and satisfactions; between the Church on earth on the one hand, and purgatory and heaven on the other, suffrages, invocation, intercession, veneration. These connotations belong here only in so far as they integrate the transcendent idea of spiritual solidarity between all the children of God. Thus understood, the communion of saints, though formally defined only in its particular bearings (Council of Trent, Sess. XXV, decrees on purgatory; on the invocation, veneration, and relics of saints and of sacred images; on indulgences), is, nevertheless, dogma commonly taught and accepted in the Church. It is true that the Catechism of the Council of Trent (Pt. I, ch. x) seems at first sight to limit to the living the bearing of the phrase contained in the Creed, but by making the communion of saints an exponent and function, as it were, of the preceding clause, "the Holy Catholic Church", it really extends to what it calls the Church's "constituent parts, one gone before, the other following every day"; the broad principle it enunciates thus: "every pious and holy action done by one belongs and is profitable to all, through charity which seeketh not her own".
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The solidarity itself implies a variety of inter-relations: within the Church Militant, not only the participation in the same faith, sacraments, and government, but also a mutual exchange of examples, prayers, merits, and satisfactions; between the Church on earth on the one hand, and purgatory and heaven on the other, suffrages, invocation, intercession, veneration.


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Does the above mean that the body of people in the Church Militant (ie those still living on earth) and the body of people in the Church Suffering (ie in Purgatory) have a mutual exchange of prayer as groups rather than on a one to one basis?
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Catholic Encyclopedia on the Communion of Saints

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The solidarity itself implies a variety of inter-relations: within the Church Militant, not only the participation in the same faith, sacraments, and government, but also a mutual exchange of examples, prayers, merits, and satisfactions; between the Church on earth on the one hand, and purgatory and heaven on the other, suffrages, invocation, intercession, veneration.


Question:

Does the above mean that the body of people in the Church Militant (ie those still living on earth) and the body of people in the Church Suffering (ie in Purgatory) have a mutual exchange of prayer as groups rather than on a one to one basis?
Keep the Faith!

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Jamie

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Apr 15 2007, 08:59 PM
Why then do we not pray to Abraham, Isaac, Moses et al, nor to our parents, relatives and friends who are in Heaven?

Whoops - I'm afraid that, like Rose, I constantly invoke the aid of my parents.......and I kind of assumed everyone else did too.......

Well not MY parents, obviously......... :rolleyes:
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Jamie
Apr 16 2007, 10:06 PM
Well not MY parents, obviously......... :rolleyes:

Its never too late to make another friend, Jamie. I think I'll have a word with them..
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Apr 16 2007, 09:10 PM
Jamie
Apr 16 2007, 10:06 PM
Well not MY parents, obviously......... :rolleyes:

Its never too late to make another friend, Jamie. I think I'll have a word with them..

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I pray a tiny litany daily for those known to me, or mentioned, who committed suicide. I most solidly trust that the Almighty Father will accede to my request.

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