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Psychopath?; The Abraham story
Topic Started: Sunday, 8. April 2007, 14:33 (402 Views)
Gerard

Clare
Apr 8 2007, 09:26 PM
Here's the Haydock Bible Commentary on the passage:

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Ver. 10. To sacrifice; a thing hitherto unprecedented, and which God would never suffer to be done in his honour, though he was pleased to try the obedience of his servant so far. The pagans afterwards took occasion, perhaps, from this history, to suppose, that human victims would be the most agreeable to their false deities: (Calmet) but in this misconception they were inexcusable, since God prevented the sacrifice from being really offered to him, in the most earnest manner, saying, Abraham, Abraham, as if there were danger lest the holy man should not hear the first call. (Haydock)

Clare,

What a terrible commentary. He suggests that Abraham inadvertantly invented the practice of child sacrifice among pagans. Weird ! Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of ancient cultures would know the practice was ancient and widespread.

Here is a nice commentary from a protestant:

Matthew Henry's concise Commentary

Matthew Henry's commentary on this story is Christ centred and suggests that Abraham expected God to raise Isaac from the dead (note the three day journey). He says:

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We will come again to you, shows that Abraham expected that Isaac, being raised from the dead, would return with him.


Gerry
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Gerard
Apr 11 2007, 10:44 AM
Clare
Apr 8 2007, 09:26 PM
Here's the Haydock Bible Commentary on the passage:

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Ver. 10. To sacrifice; a thing hitherto unprecedented, and which God would never suffer to be done in his honour, though he was pleased to try the obedience of his servant so far. The pagans afterwards took occasion, perhaps, from this history, to suppose, that human victims would be the most agreeable to their false deities: (Calmet) but in this misconception they were inexcusable, since God prevented the sacrifice from being really offered to him, in the most earnest manner, saying, Abraham, Abraham, as if there were danger lest the holy man should not hear the first call. (Haydock)

Clare,

What a terrible commentary. He suggests that Abraham inadvertantly invented the practice of child sacrifice among pagans. Weird ! Anyone with a modicum of knowledge of ancient cultures would know the practice was ancient and widespread.

Perhaps the commentator had more than a modicum of knowledge...

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Here is a nice commentary from a protestant:


Gerry, why do you pay more attention to Protestants than Catholics?

Clare.
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Gerard

They write better commentaries ?

To annoy Clare ?

Actually I would deny your suggestion.
My bookshelf must be at least 90% catholic authors to 10% protestant.
But I do find much of value among protestants.

What do you think of the commentary?

Gerry
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Interesting idea Gerry that Abrahma might have thought Isaac would rise again. I hope Isaac thought so too!

I only half buy Carlo's view that we shouldn't try to apply today's values to ancient times. In ordinary history , yes, but the Bible is supposed to be our guide through all ages so it is reasonbale to apply the present day philosophy to it.

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John,

The way I see it is that the culture and cultural norms were different 4,000 years ago and we need to take that into account. For example child sacrifice was common so would not be quite as repellant/horrific as we now find it.

On the other hand people are actually the same now as then and we need to take that into account. For example it is often said that children were not as loved/valued/by their parents in those days and I dont believe that. They were just as loved.

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Gerard
Apr 11 2007, 11:10 AM
They write better commentaries ?

To annoy Clare ?

As long as it's to annoy me, I'll let you off! I will not concede that Protestants write better commentaries!

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What do you think of the commentary?


Seems ok!

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Apr 11 2007, 03:30 PM
I only half buy Carlo's view that we shouldn't try to apply today's values to ancient times. In ordinary history , yes, but the Bible is supposed to be our guide through all ages so it is reasonbale to apply the present day philosophy to it.

That presupposes that today's philosophy is better!

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Apr 11 2007, 03:40 PM
The way I see it is that the culture and cultural norms were different 4,000 years ago and we need to take that into account. For example child sacrifice was common so would not be quite as repellant/horrific as we now find it.

People do tend to get desensitised to atrocities that become commonplace. Abortion for example.

So, yes, I agree with you on that Gerry.

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Clare,

Abortion was in my mind as I wrote that.

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