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| Jesus.; was he a religious man ? | |
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| Topic Started: Sunday, 1. April 2007, 21:58 (470 Views) | |
| James | Sunday, 1. April 2007, 21:58 Post #1 |
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In this week of lent I always see an openly rebellious man against the religion of his birth and they against him. He overturns the tables of the moneylenders which was no small feat and created resentments that followed him into the week ahead. Political and religious leaders were alarmed. There was expectations amongst the people who met him at the gates. In the past, He spoke out against people who looked at scripture before they acted. - "would you rescue a sheep from thorns on the sabbath day ?" they asked. He praised the samaritan man who helped and found lodgings for a person injured by the roadside when others would have to consult scripture first" There seemed to be a history that depicted a very spiritual man with great insight but who would deride religious practices that existed for their own end only and was forever concentrating beyond religion to the father and the kingdom within each of us. So was Jesus a religious man ? Did he attend sabbath regularily ? I don't know. Or was he just angry with the way Juadism had become ? But then ,I suppose, Judasim is a religion in waiting and has no other end than itself until the coming of the messiah. I have these thoughts and they raise in me great issues about the role of religion(s) and the freedom of the spirit which Jesus mentions. Two different things in my mind. When does religion become claustrophobic and will not allow you to move on.? Does forever poring and debating over scripture, as the scribes and pharasees did, and we can also do, blind us to the spontaneous spirit within ? Anyway- I'm going on a bit myself now |
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| Joseph | Sunday, 1. April 2007, 22:42 Post #2 |
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Someone asked 'what would Jesus think and how would He react if He were to appear in the Vatican right now? Would he approve of everything he found there, and would He recognise it as His Church?' |
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| Em. | Monday, 2. April 2007, 07:09 Post #3 |
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It was so from the beginning of time to go up against the man who preaches against the establishment, it does hapen in our time, remember Enock Powell, he said many thing for which is was punished, now all are coming through, whilst I do not place him with Jesus, he akso told the truth. We were like the Jes of Jesus; time, we ignored him. Those who tell it as it it, alwayhs get punished. Jesus was a man, fine the Son of the Father, I never objected to him entering the temple and create chaos, after all, wouldn't you get that angy if your father's house was turned into something it was not intended for? Doesv't tht mke him a man of feelings. Jesus, to my mind, was attempting to teach and that is bound to go against the grain, aren't the Jews still paying the price? If one had to lern about the Jew worldwide, one has to read their history. They were not nice to Jesus, and they are still perfecly self opionated now. I think that the resque of the sheep from thorn means that he -rescued man on any day - but we are still in trouble. We, as humans, do not like someone to come and tell us that we are wrongm especially a Son of a carpenter. I would also have douts about a man like that, but He was not new to preaching, he started fromm a young age. To be a genuine religious persomn, it does not hve to leave the day-to-day problems for someone else to clean up. Was Jesus a religious man, well, He was the Son of God. |
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| Clare | Monday, 2. April 2007, 09:34 Post #4 |
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... because He was/is religious, and they were abusing the House of God! I think this religious v spiritual issue is a false dichotomy. Find a saint who was spiritual but not religious! Yes there are plenty of people who you could call religious but not spiritual, which isn't great. But IMHO, anyone who says he is "spiritual" but not "religious" is just trotting out a cliche! He's been watching too many editions of "The Heaven and Earth Show" and its celebrity interviews, where the celebrities in question are more often than not "spiritual" but don't practise anymore! It's so predictable! Clare. |
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| nelly k | Monday, 2. April 2007, 14:17 Post #5 |
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I think my comment is going to be a bit whacky ... here goes... Of course Jesus was religious... he surely , as God, is the Religion, that religion being Catholic, and of course he is spirtual, I dont think you can have one without the other. nelly |
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| Clare | Monday, 2. April 2007, 15:44 Post #6 |
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Not whacky at all, Nelly. Right on, in fact! B) Clare. |
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| Derekap | Monday, 2. April 2007, 21:03 Post #7 |
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On our last visit to St. Paul's Cathedral in London a few years ago, my wife and were horrified to see numerous stalls selling souvenirs etc. up and down the interior. We realise the Cathedral needs money for everyday expenses and repair of the building but the ambience was like a market hall. If I had tipped one over the reaction would have been interesting. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 2. April 2007, 21:24 Post #8 |
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Yes James we must look beyond the practices, and in our daily lives seek the Kingdom of God for and within ourselves and others. The practices aid us in our efforts to achieve that aim. If there were no practices laid down, with rules, we would lack the stability we gain from the Universal, World Wide Church. We can be Catholic anywhere, on holiday, business or at home.
For me, religion would become claustrophic if I followed a routine of Daily Mass, plus the Daily Office, and reciting the Rosary at a set time - and nothing else. I am in no position to attend Daily Mass, or to plan my day to include set prayer times. God knows my situation, and He accepts me as I am. He and I will have an informal chat soon, while I do some ironing. However, having set times for formal prayer and scripture reading do suit some people. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 2. April 2007, 21:30 Post #9 |
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Some people are happy to live their lives totally around the parish, ie Daily Mass, membership of a parish society, helping in the parish hall kitchen, teaching the children their faith, standing by the door dishing out newsletters, plus committee membership. Seven days a week involvement in parish life and formal religion would, for me, be "parish claustrophobia", there is so much we can do, in the way of serving God and others, away from the Church premises. It just happens to be my way, I am not making criticisms of hard working servants of the parish. (I do sometimes criticise a minority of them, but not at the moment. :D ) |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 13. April 2007, 10:45 Post #10 |
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If Jesus popped back to earth, incognito, physically, for just a few weeks, and went to Mass on Sundays, then got chatting in the church car park, and was as outspoken as he was last time he walked on this planet, how would good Catholics react? Would the parish priest ask Him be an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion? Would we ask him to consider offering himself for priesthood? Would we say "that young man makes trouble for Father. He is a menace, how he can himself a Catholic is beyond me?" I can just imagine the parishioners freezing somebody out, unaware he was Jesus Christ. I do have a weird sense of humour, I can imagine the faces of the "worthies" if, before going back home after His trip, the outspoken newcomer were to reveal his true identity. Actually nobody would have noticed him, just another new person in church, that's all. |
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| Em. | Friday, 13. April 2007, 10:53 Post #11 |
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We have not changed much from the old people of Isreal. Give us a chance we would put Him in a "nut" house and certified as mad. |
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| Clare | Friday, 13. April 2007, 10:57 Post #12 |
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He might have been accused of being more Catholic than the Pope! Clare. |
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| Jamie | Friday, 13. April 2007, 15:35 Post #13 |
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Are you implying that the Pope IS Catholic Clare????? |
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| Rose of York | Friday, 13. April 2007, 17:28 Post #14 |
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Jamie, Clare would not do otherwise, in fact nobody on here would. Catholic Cyberforum members have a proud tradition of loyalty to The Holy Father. That is why I think you will like it here. This is a good subject for debate, therefore I regret my little quip about the possibility that nobody would notice Jesus if he turned up in one of our churches. It would be a shame if it were to lead to total digression. Shall we start by discussing this, by James?
The role of religion, in my opinion, is obviously first and foremost to lead us towards an ever closer relationship with God. From that stems our responsibility to look outward towards others. If poring and debating over scripture is an end in itself, does that lead us anywhere? I doubt it. |
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| Clare | Friday, 13. April 2007, 17:41 Post #15 |
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There is a place for theologians. We aren't all called to do the same things, and I wouldn't like to belittle the efforts of great thinkers like St Thomas Aquinas, or St Augustine, or St Jerome, who must have done a fair bit of poring over Scripture! But those of us who aren't called to that kind of vocation shouldn't be saying that those who are are wasting their time! Hands and hearts shouldn't tell brains they don't need them! And vice versa! Clare. |
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