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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 26. September 2006, 20:26 (1,768 Views) | |
| MickCook | Tuesday, 12. February 2008, 17:27 Post #76 |
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Interesting. The following is from the Catechism of the Catholic Church regarding Tradition:
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| Derekap | Tuesday, 12. February 2008, 18:19 Post #77 |
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I have nothing against the old Penny Cathechism, it certainly was useful. But my religious lessons during the junior school days (ie up to 11 years of age) seemed to be mostly a repetition - and then a Sunday afternoon class with the curate in the presbytery was concentrated on it. Such classes were for the 11+ boys who had to attend a non-Catholic Grammar School as there was none locally. For a few days in the junior school we had a non-Catholic teacher because our regular was ill. She taught us the story of Joseph which much later was the subject of a famous musical. What a refreshing change it was. Of course time was given to preparation for our First Holy Communion and then Confirmation. But somehow we never reached the last few pages of the Catechism in either class! And one of the Sunday classes was spent undoing counterfoils of raffle tickets and folding them up ready for occasion when the winners would be drawn. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 12. February 2008, 18:20 Post #78 |
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Gerry do you say we are saved, even if we fail to carry out good works?
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 12. February 2008, 20:09 Post #79 |
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Rose, The Catholic Church teaches that we are saved by grace through faith and not by works. Good works are a fruit of the grace and not the source of it. We cannot earn salvation.
It is not for me to say who is saved and who not. Only Jesus can do that. But I certainly say some are saved without doing good works. The worst sinner can repent and receive salvation on his deathbed - what good works did he do? What good works did the thief on the cross do? and he was promised paradise. Remember I said if I continued I would be repeating myself? When I talked about rules leading people to try to get to heaven in their own strength this was what I was talking about. We cannot earn salvation. it is pure gift. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 12. February 2008, 20:20 Post #80 |
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Agreed, but Christ made it pretty clear we can earn damnation. Repentance does come into it, but nobody can afford to gamble on being genuinely repentant as death approaches. |
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| James | Wednesday, 13. February 2008, 22:44 Post #81 |
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Rose I see it as the soul's condition in relation to God. A soul close to God will do genuine good works by nature and these works are pleasing to God. Take Mother Teresa as an admirable example. Ourselves to a lesser degree - I would pray my intentions are pure. However, take another whose soul is mercenary. He can arrange to have somebody murdered for the sake of building up his empire. Then stand in the front row of the church and sympathise with the widow and children and also be high profile at the graveside - as if one of the family. He then insists on paying for all the funeral expenses, sees that the widow is financially well off for the rest of her days and puts all the children through education. Been known to happen in certain quarters. Good works certainly - but hardly pleasing to God, who can see inside the heart !! James |
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| Deleted User | Tuesday, 26. February 2008, 05:21 Post #82 |
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According to the prefect of the Congregation for Clergy, Cardinal Cláudio Hummes, the priest should be the premiere catechist of the parish, and catechists need the presence of the parish priest to be motivated.
Zenit Wise words from the Cardinal KatyA |
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| DeniseLawson | Tuesday, 26. February 2008, 08:31 Post #83 |
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Karin, I think you hit on a number of very good points. I went through RCIA, but it was nearly 20 years ago now, so I don't remember a whole lot about it. A couple of things I have seen in the various parishes I've been in... One parish had a small-groups discussion sessions that would run on various books that pertained to different aspects of our faith and applying that faith to our daily lives. The books chosen would be timely and relevant, and usually easy to read with regards to a variety of levels of faith development. The groups would read a couple of chapters a week and get together over refreshments and discuss what they read. Most people who participated always came away with a better understanding of at least that part of their faith, even if they didn't always agree with it. In the parish I currently attend, the pastor hosts several one-hour sessions throughout the year on such things as, "Explaining the Mass", the various sacraments, etc. They're taught at an initiate level - usually geared towards the RCIA class - but the entire parish is invited and encouraged to attend. I know of one priest who did something very similar to that for the Latin mass - explained the gestures, taught the responses, etc. Unfortunately, I didn't get to attend that one - I think I would have enjoyed learning what he had to teach. And a lot of catechesis can take place in the Sunday homily, a fact that is overlooked by many, both laity and priests. Take the readings and make them relevant by using current day examples. Most of the themes outlined there are still very relevant today, but they can be easily lost on folks if they fail to understand how or why they are relevant. Some priests do that to varying degrees of success. Some, unfortunately, do not. |
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| DeniseLawson | Tuesday, 26. February 2008, 09:01 Post #84 |
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And faith without works is dead. Not only is that Catholic, but it's also scriptural. :D (And a fact you also hit upon in a later post). I don't normally find myself agreeing with your posts, but I have to admit to agreeing with you at least in part. While I don't agree with your apparent general disregard for rules, I agree wholeheartedly with your emphasis on not being bogged down by the rules. I guess the trick is how do you have the rules and live by them without adopting a legalistic mindset. That seemed to be the problem the Pharisees struggled with: they allowed themselves to become so bogged down in the rules, they lost the intent behind those rules, and in the process possibly even lost their souls as well. OK - I'm not sure I explained that well - it's pretty late for me here - so hopefully I didn't confuse the heck out of everyone. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 26. February 2008, 10:20 Post #85 |
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Denise, We agree. Praise God :D . Perhaps not too surprising though since we had dug down to bedrock. Gerry |
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| Alan | Tuesday, 17. June 2008, 21:10 Post #86 |
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This forum sometimes raises concerns concerning the quality of Lay, parish based, Catechesis I recently came across this reflection written by a seven year old, preparing for First Holy Communion. I offer no apologies for any spelling or grammatical errors. I have simply copied as written. Love is? Love is when we tell stories about Jesus and spread it around to make the people who have done bad things don't do them again and then Jesus forgives them. or Shareing anything whith anybody and to let them share your things together. Simple Of Course Naive Yes. Heartfelt I have no doubt. Importantly it shows that Parish based Catechesis works. The Communicant concerned is unable to attend a Catholic School. Edited by Alan, Tuesday, 17. June 2008, 21:12.
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God Bless all who visit this forum, Alan. Add Catholic CyberForum to your favourites | |
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| PJD | Tuesday, 17. June 2008, 22:06 Post #87 |
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That's so very encouraging Alan PJD |
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| Deleted User | Wednesday, 24. September 2008, 23:43 Post #88 |
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Fr Finigan draws attention to Daphne McLeod's article for Pro Ecclesia "WHY THE CRISIS IN THE CHURCH ?A CONTROVERSIAL BUT IRREFUTABLE ANSWER." in which she places the blame for the current crisis, lack of vocations etc. firmly at the feet of poor catechise. She concludes
link to article The article is well worth reading KatyA |
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| Rose of York | Wednesday, 24. September 2008, 23:57 Post #89 |
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It should be compulsory reading for all priests. I am concerned by the current tide of "freedom of belief" amongst some Catholics, and not only the younger end. It is refreshing to read a balanced article that does not blame all the Church's ills in the Western world, on modern liturgy. In countries where attendance is increasing, the bishops and priests were under the same regime as we are, regarding Rites of Mass. They have mainly Novus Ordo, their churches were full. |
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| Gerard | Thursday, 25. September 2008, 09:24 Post #90 |
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Its not the teaching thats the problem. Its the living it. Gerry |
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