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| Deleted User | Monday, 11. February 2008, 16:44 Post #61 |
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Indeed, and they still have the THE WESTMINSTER SHORTER CATECHISM. A.D. 1647. :D
Apart from the fact that the little catechism is much easier to fit in one's pocket, we do not depend on sola scriptura. Scott Hahn writes:
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. February 2008, 16:51 Post #62 |
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How about this suggestion? A new series of question and answer catechisms, one for each age group from early childhood to late teens, and one for adult Catholics and prospective or new converts, something simpler than either the full Catechism or the Compendium, as neither of those are suitable for people with poor educational attainments. I am considering here, material purely for reference. |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 17:13 Post #63 |
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I really don't think we need the horrible penny catechism. We need the Bible (which is alive and active) and a good teacher (preferably alive and active also) Gerry |
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| Lilo | Monday, 11. February 2008, 17:15 Post #64 |
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What was horrible about it? |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 17:20 Post #65 |
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Lilo Didnt you read my earlier posts? Gerry |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 17:24 Post #66 |
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KataA, Scott Hahn does not say we need the Bible and the catechism. He says we need the Bible and the Church. This I agree with wholeheartedly. Gerry |
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| Lilo | Monday, 11. February 2008, 17:31 Post #67 |
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There are new catechism programs available now that are really very good. We used the Faith & Life series from Gr 1 - 8: http://www.catecheticalresources.com/fl-revised.htm If you use the student text only, they're good for reference, and they do (gulp!) have Q & A at the end of most chapters. Anyone who wants to use these for their children's religion course should really buy the teachers' manuals as well; I found that half the course was in them. For high school & adult, there's an excellent set: The Catholicism series by Hayes, Hayes & Drummey, CR Publications. Catholicism & Society - Marriage, Family, and Social Issues Catholicism and Reason - The Creed and Apologetics Catholicism & Life - Commandments and Sacraments Catholicism & Ethics I see that they've now added Catholicism & Scripture - Salvation History - didn't have that when I was homeschooling or I'd have used it. The Catholicism series is strictly books, not a course. I had to devise that myself. One (of many) on-line source for them is http://www.getfed.com/catholic-product/125...-Social-Issues/ |
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| Quicunque vult | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:24 Post #68 |
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Gerard wrote:
You have distorted what I said! I went some way to recognising that the Penny Catechism may not have been taught very well. How it was taught says nothing about the value of the document itself.
What is so wrong with that? If we know God, we will know that He loves us. This passage shows a concern for eschatology that is lacking in many modern materials.
They are not either/or. A rounded Catholic education will expose people to both.
And where does the teacher get his or her teaching from? Where in the Bible can we find out about the Sacraments, purgatory, the doctrine of redemption, the Immaculate Conception etc? We need both teaching and the Bible. Reliance on the Bible alone is a Protestant belief, and totally illogical. We need the full Deposit of Faith – Sacred Tradition, which has been handed down to us by the Apostles and their successors, and Sacred Scripture, interpreted for us by the Magisterium. I don't see what is so wrong with rules. The basic rules are the Ten Commandments, which Our Lord fully adhered to. His disagreement with the Pharisees was not over the existence of rules, but over their interpretation. Surely, today, society is falling apart from the absence of rules – not Government regulations, of which there are far too many – but absence of generally agreed rules on morality. We could do with plenty more of those, beginning with the Ten Commandments. QV |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:39 Post #69 |
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QV Yes indeed, some people do prefer rules. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:47 Post #70 |
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I like rules. They leave us without excuses for cutting God out of our lives, neglecting our parents, stealing, libelling, agressive behaviour (eg spitting at folks) or tempting other womens' husbands to be unfaithful. Rules protect ME from the behaviour of the others. :D Gerard you tell me where we would be without rules. Religion that says "all you need is love" is self indulgence lacking in commitment and self discipline. |
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| sumermamma | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:49 Post #71 |
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Rose of York, AMEN. sm |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:52 Post #72 |
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Rose, I think I have already said everything I need to say on this subject. I siply point out once again that I said above that in Christianity the rules are secondary and subservient. Sorry - one last thing. You dont get to heaven by keeping the rules (though you wouldnt know that from the penny catechism) Gerry |
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| Quicunque vult | Monday, 11. February 2008, 21:52 Post #73 |
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Gerard I am not talking about preference for rules, but a general human need for rules. In our relativistic age, almost all rules have been abandoned, out of overweening pride: "we are too clever and sophisticated, we have no need for rules, excepting of course the Highway Code, tax regulations etc etc etc". Incidentally, as you will be aware from reading the Gospels, Our Lord added a considerable number of rules to those which the disciples, as observant Jews, would already have been required to follow. QV |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. February 2008, 22:18 Post #74 |
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I won't go out for dinner, have a walk in the countryside or read a good book by keeping the man made rules of the State, but keeping them has kept me out of jail (so far). Keeping the rules as laid down in the Catechism will help keep me out of Hell. What do you mean, Gerry? You don't get to Heaven by keeping the rules? I hope that keeping the following will help me on my way: "Jesus saves, accept Jesus is your Lord and Saviour and you've cracked it" is a protestant concept. The Catechism and the Bible go nicely together. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 12. February 2008, 10:14 Post #75 |
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Well Rose I think you just made my point for me. We are saved by grace through faith, not by works of the law. (And that IS Catholic ! :D ) Gerry |
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