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| Topic Started: Tuesday, 26. September 2006, 20:26 (1,770 Views) | |
| Eve | Monday, 11. February 2008, 11:21 Post #46 |
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A CATECHISM OF CHRISTIAN DOCTRINE FAITH Chapter Two 9. What is faith? Faith is a supernatural gift of God, which enables us to believe without doubting whatever God has revealed. 10. Why must you believe whatever God has revealed? I must believe whatever God has revealed because God is the very truth, and can neither deceive nor be deceived. 11. How are you to know what God has revealed? I am to know what God has revealed by the testimony, teaching, and authority of the Catholic Church. 12. Who gave the Catholic Church divine authority to teach? Jesus Christ gave the Catholic Church divine authority to teach, when he said, 'Go ye and teach all nations.' Matt.28:19.) |
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| James | Monday, 11. February 2008, 11:37 Post #47 |
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Eve. I don't think Gerry or anybody is contradicting or disputing effective catechesis - what we are saying - does it light the spark?. Perhaps with a good teacher it may but with many it will not. It is like placing all the components very carefully into a great pile in order to have a blazing bonfire - but nobody lights the spark and it remains dead. |
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| pete | Monday, 11. February 2008, 11:56 Post #48 |
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As much as I agree with you on most things Gerry, I feel that the penny catechism is essential for all Catholics; it’s our Guide, there to assist us in faith matters. To make a comparison, any Judge sitting on the bench in a criminal court, always has at hand a copy of Blackstones which he refers to when making directions, if it’s in Blackstones his judgment cannot be deemed unlawful. Therefore, in my opinion, by using the catechism as our guide and inspiration, we are safeguarded against accusations regarding faith matters; the catechism is our crutch and our treasure. God bless Pete |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 12:02 Post #49 |
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Eve, I am intrigued by your:
Thats not what it says in copies I am familiar with. http://www.proecclesia.com/page_the%20penny%20catechism.htm I can just imagine the little dears chanting "Why did God make you? God made me to know Him, love Him and serve Him in this world, and be happy with Him forever in the next. See QQ 169, 320, 336, 339, etc" "Why did God make you? God made me to know Him, love Him and serve Him in this world, and be happy with Him forever in the next. See QQ 169, 320, 336, 339, etc" "Why did God make you? God made me to know Him, love Him and serve Him in this world, and be happy with Him forever in the next. See QQ 169, 320, 336, 339, etc" Not that QQ 169, 320 ect help very much. Gerry |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 12:04 Post #50 |
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Pete, I prefer the Gospel. Gerry |
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| Eve | Monday, 11. February 2008, 13:14 Post #51 |
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James I provided text for information, and I made no comment. Some people are too young to have learnt the Penny Catechism - possibly never saw it.
I quoted from a version that has Impramatur 1971 http://www.memorare.com/catechism/pennycat.txt |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 11. February 2008, 13:28 Post #52 |
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QQ 169, 320, 336, 339, etc. (It does help once you have the link) 169. What is Charity? Charity is a supernatural gift of God by which we love God above all things, and our neighbour as ourselves for God's sake. 320. Which are the two great precepts of Charity? The two great precepts of Charity are: 1. 'Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with thy whole heart, and with thy whole soul, and with thy whole mind, and with thy whole strength'. 2. 'Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself'. Mark 12:30,31 336. How must be love God? We must love God above all things, and with our whole heart. 339. Does Jesus Christ also command us to love one another? Jesus Christ also commands us to love one another - that is, all persons without exception - for his sake. |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. February 2008, 13:31 Post #53 |
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I must say it seems a bit heavy for five year olds, and I remember at some stage in infant school asking the teacher "Please Miss why doesn't God want us to be happy in this world?" I also wondered why God's only reason for me being alive was so I could love and serve him. At that tender age I thought God was thinking of Himself and what HE wanted. The Penny Catechism was useful for reference, but hardly evangelistic. |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 13:42 Post #54 |
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THANK YOU ROSE. More later........ |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 11. February 2008, 14:47 Post #55 |
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The Penny Catechism has three references to "Scripture"
The Penny Catechism has three references to "Gospel"
The word "Bible" is not in the Penny Catechism. |
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| Deleted User | Monday, 11. February 2008, 15:50 Post #56 |
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The Penny Catechism: a long lasting text The above link is to an article on the history of the Penny Catechism. The reference to use of correct terminology made me smile, as that is one issue stressed in many subjects today (particularly EPR) but not, apparently, in RE. On the issue of catechises for the young, I came across two further articles one by Michael Davies and one from The Catholic Union of Great Britain (which I confess I had not heard of previously) My point is that, although the penny Catechism may leave room for improvement, nobody has yet come up with anything better. KatyA |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 16:06 Post #57 |
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:o The Bible is better. Gerry |
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| Gerard | Monday, 11. February 2008, 16:20 Post #58 |
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The first link you provided was very interesting - the one on the history. Apparently a catechism is a protestant invention. Gerry
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| Clare | Monday, 11. February 2008, 16:36 Post #59 |
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| Lilo | Monday, 11. February 2008, 16:42 Post #60 |
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If the Bible is the equivalent of a basic Catechism, why are there so many variations on the Christian theme? We obviously need both. And while it is fashionable to deride traditional catechisms - Penny Catechism in the UK, Baltimore Catechism across North America - we need only look at the wasteland religious education has become since these were dropped to get the message that they were effective. |
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