Equality, Diversity And Fruitcakery Gone Mad

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Equality, Diversity And Fruitcakery Gone Mad
Topic Started: Friday, 10. November 2006, 22:05 (895 Views)
Alan	Tuesday, 19. December 2006, 00:01 Post #31
Posts: 685 Group: Members Member #13 Joined: September 26, 2006	Rose of York Dec 18 2006, 11:54 PM We could do with a new National Festival of Fruitcakery, Surely not. What is required is a Bank holiday to ensure that the Bonfire is big enough Furthermore I do not think " Mr Kipling" would be able to produce sufficent fruitcake
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Rose of York	Tuesday, 19. December 2006, 00:13 Post #32
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	We could light beacons at all points at which fruitcakery has taken place. There could even be a new National Fruitcakery Trail linking all the spots, where commemorative plaques would be erected. The muslims might laugh their heads off it the fruitcakes are given awards for Making a Pigs Ear of Diversity and Multiculturalism. CARLO how do you feel about writing an Elegy on Fruitcakery?
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Deacon Robert	Tuesday, 19. December 2006, 01:44 Post #33
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	here is the link to my original post it is not as complete as the one Gerry gave http://www.people.co.uk/news/tm_headline=o...-name_page.html and another exampl of PC gone wild: http://www.catholicleague.org/06press_rele...214_abounds.htm
	Dcn Robert


Deacon Robert	Monday, 29. January 2007, 13:36 Post #34
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	Anything for a buck California company selling “holy drinking water” blessed by “a priest, churchman, clergyman, cleric, curate, divine, ecclesiastic, elder, father, friar, holy man, lama, monk, padre, pontiff, preacher, rabbi, rector, sky pilot, or vicar” “Holy Drinking Water” is now on sale at Rinaldi’s Market in the tiny San Joaquin County community of Linden – and soon may be available at a store near you. Wayne Enterprises Inc. of Linden, the company marketing the water, says on its website, “The initial idea behind this product is to provide people with a daily reminder that they can and should do good in life and that they may not be as bad of a person as they think.” Each half-ounce bottle sells for 99 cents and carries a “Warning to sinners,” which reads: “If you are a sinner or evil in nature, this product may cause burning, intense heat, sweating, skin irritation, rashes, itchiness, vomiting, bloodshot and water eyes, pale skin color, and oral irritations.” News of Holy Drinking Water, says Wayne Enterprises, has spread to New York, Rhode Island, Texas, Canada, and Israel. Thirty-three cases have been donated to U.S. troops in Iraq. (The website asks for donations for this “pious” endeavor.) The water is purified by the reverse osmosis method, but that is not what makes it unique. Rather, its supposed charm lies in the fact that it “is blessed into holy water by hands of god,” by which is meant “a priest, churchman, clergyman, cleric, curate, divine, ecclesiastic, elder, father, friar, holy man, lama, monk, padre, pontiff, preacher, rabbi, rector, sky pilot, or vicar.” Wayne Enterprises says it is accepting applications from prospective “gods,” whose information will be kept “highly confidential.” Wayne Enterprises president, Brian Germann, told the Oakland Tribune that he has two clergymen from two different religions blessing the water. To avoid “unnecessary peer pressure” from clergy, Germann said he would not identify his sanctifiers. “This has the potential to be a controversial product,” he said. Virginia Meagher, liturgy coordinator for the Stockton diocese, told the Tribune selling holy water “seems to be against the reason we bless water.” Bottled holy water, she said, isn’t a sacrilege, but “it’s probably not something we would encourage.” Wayne Enterprises offers this warning for its product: “Consuming Holy Drinking Water should not replace attending church or any other establishment of worship.”
	Dcn Robert


Rose of York	Monday, 29. January 2007, 15:46 Post #35
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	Deacon Robert Jan 29 2007, 01:36 PM Wayne Enterprises offers this warning for its product: “Consuming Holy Drinking Water should not replace attending church or any other establishment of worship.” Does every bottle come with a coupon, showing the date? "Collect these ten coupons bearing consecutive date. Exchange them for a free packet of diuretic tablets to relieve excessively frequent urination"?
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James	Monday, 29. January 2007, 15:56 Post #36
James Posts: 1,108 Group: Members Member #54 Joined: January 13, 2007	What about a "ships captain" he is not mentioned and you would imagine him to be a top class "Blesser". Imagine a ship sinking (i.e the titanic) with all this water around and people screaming "captain, what shall we do,- what are your instructions" Well now - for he is Irish and can start the sentence with "well now"- what you'll have to do is get yourselves a jar of some sort and fill it up with a good dollop of salt water or any water you can find and all come back here and hold it up and I will give it all the blessing in one go. Then have agood drink before the ship sinks and you'll all go to heaven. Then a voice come up and says "do you happen to bless Jamesons or Guinness as well. Reply - "I'll bless anything as long as you can drink it"!



Derekap	Monday, 29. January 2007, 22:24 Post #37
Posts: 3,408 Group: Members Member #14 Joined: September 26, 2006	Some years ago in the US of A a Senator Goldwater was applying to be a candidate for presidency. His campaigners were selling bottles of gold coloured water like hot cakes. During the popularity of the Soap "Dallas" I went on an excursion which included a visit to see Southfork (I was being entertained). It was closed to visitors but a stall was selling various souvenirs including packets of earth. Meanwhile a van (not selling anything) kept playing the signature tune.
	Derekap


Rose of York	Monday, 29. January 2007, 22:52 Post #38
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	On a more serious note, on the same day a report attacks multiculturalism in Britain for "fostering difference for its own sake" and the Leader of the Opposition calls some Muslim groups "the mirror image" of BNP. Political correctness usually has its roots in public service. Time to stop it. 25th December is Christmas, not Winterfest. We respect the rights of adherents of Eastern Faiths to observe their religious days, so we must not abandon ours. Faith must not be abandoned, it must be acknowledged and observed.
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Deacon Robert	Monday, 5. February 2007, 22:24 Post #39
Posts: 819 Group: Members Member #15 Joined: September 26, 2006	Quote: Will Pope Benedict become a Mormon after he dies? By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor PARIS (Reuters) - Pope Benedict was baptized at birth and will most likely be baptized again one year after his death, not by his Roman Catholic Church but by a Mormon he never met. The Mormons, a U.S.-based denomination officially named the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (LDS), encourage members to baptize the dead by proxy in the belief they are helping the deceased attain full access to heaven. Church members are told to focus on their ancestors, a rite understandable in a relatively new denomination founded in 1830. But so many now perform the rituals for celebrities, heroes and perfect strangers that the practice has spun out of control. Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, Genghis Khan, Mao Zedong, King Herod, Al Capone and Mickey Mouse have all appeared for a short time in the International Genealogical Index for proxy baptisms, said Helen Radkey, a researcher specialized in the IGI. "It seems that any kind of name at all may be submitted," said Radkey from Salt Lake City, where the Church is based. The IGI also accepts names for rites that "seal" spouses in eternal marriage or parents and children in eternal families. Full artcle: http://www.reuters.com/article/inDepthNews...218416820070204
	Dcn Robert


Rose of York	Friday, 22. August 2008, 22:47 Post #40
Administrator Posts: 14,517 Group: Admin Member #2 Joined: September 25, 2006	I think this is one of the funniest examples yet, of misunderstandings that a perfectly innocent happening was perceived to be political correctness gone mad. http://www.spenboroughguardian.co.uk/news/Carpet-exhibition-sparks-holy-row.4416493.jp The little town of Heckmondwike is known for its old industry of carpet manufacture. Immigrants from the Indian sub continent settled there because they had experience and skills in carpet weaving - we have all heard about fine Indian carpets. An exhibition was held, exploring Heckmondwike's history and its links with textile industry and carpets in particular. Quote: Carpet exhibition sparks holy row A RELIGIOUS row was raging in Heckmondwike this week - caused by a humble carpet exhibition. The problem was, the Exhibition is called Take Your Shoes Off. Posters were displayed outside the church. The corps secretary of the Heckmondwike branch of the Salvation Army blew a fuse when she saw, outside a Christian chapel, a poster bearing the slogan TAKE YOUR SHOES OFF. Quote: She said: "It's very offensive. Apparently we are being asked to remove our shoes because of Islamic artefacts - that's the way I understood it. "I don't think that's appropriate. Christians don't normally have to remove their shoes when they go into a Christian place of worship. "I just feel that our Christian heritage is being overridden by another religion which I don't adhere to. "I'm all for accepting someone else's way of life, but I don't think they should impose their beliefs on us. I think we have to stand up and be counted." Her son, former Heckmondwike BNP councillor David Exley, added: "I feel that rather than helping cohesion, this will create bigger gaps between the communities, and I oppose it in principle." It took a muslim to explain, ever so gently, Quote: "Mashuda Shaikh, of Kirklees museums and galleries, who led the project with Rebecca Breen of Safer Stronger Communities, said: The whole concept of Take Your Shoes Off is that when carpets were very expensive they were so precious that people took their shoes off before walking on them. Some people still do. "Take Your Shoes Off is just a catchy title for the exhibition. It's nothing to do with religion. "These people are just getting the wrong end of the stick. "The exhibition is to look at. Part of it involves a mat, which people can walk on if they like, but no-one will be told to remove their shoes."
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MickCook	Saturday, 23. August 2008, 16:21 Post #41
Posts: 633 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: September 26, 2006	Okay - The Fruitcake Awards. To be issued Annually by the Catholic Cyberforum and announced in the Daily Mail (or some other funky tabloid such as the Daily Mirror) The reason for the rewards: Plymouth A city council is to impose new car parking charges for Sunday morning church services so they are not "discriminatory to other faiths and religious praying days".Plymouth City Council had allowed free parking in some car parks for Christian churchgoers, but now has brought in a £1 an hour charge so they do not offend other faiths. Quote: The city has one Mosque which serves all of the Muslim population, estimated to be about 800. Plymouth also has one Buddhist centre, serving about 470 people, and one Synagogue for nearly 200 practising Jews in the community. There are 150 Christian churches in the city. Do Muslims, Buddhists, Jews etc., pay for parking outside their places of worship? Did anyone actually ask them if they are offended by Christians not having to pay for parking? Is this a move to get more money - to in effect tax churchgoers? Quote: More than two-thirds of companies have banned Christmas decorations from the office because of fears that they will offend people from minority faiths, according to a report. What is the source of the claim that people from minority faiths are offended by the concept of Christmas? Elias Mattu One Wise Man "I don't know of a single minority in Britain who is offended by the mention of Christmas. Muslims, Sikhs and Hindus I've spoken to here all join in with it. It is patronising to suggest they're offended. "Christmas is a celebration of the birth of Jesus Christ and by removing the word Christmas from the the lights I think it erodes Christian values. "I believe it was easier for me, as an Asian, to argue this case. I believe in multiculturalism and think all faiths should be accepted equally -but not at the expense of Christianity." By being 'Politically Correct' the Fruitcakes have succeeded in: 1. Offend minorities because of their presumption and patronising tone - simply by not bothering to ask how the minorities actually feel about something. 2. Offend a majority by imposing decisions that are not based on reason or genuine concern for the good of the community. 3. Set back respect for cultural diversity and the concept of multiculturalism. 4. Display ignorance and prejudice that appears to be aimed at Christianity but can include minority faiths because of presumption and patronisation. Members can vote on the Fruitcake Award and a suitable size fruitcake (baked by the Ladies of the Green Cardigan) can be sent to the winner with a bottle of water blessed by the local bishop. B)
	:) Mick The Cook Companies


Fortunatus	Saturday, 23. August 2008, 17:02 Post #42
Posts: 720 Group: Members Member #98 Joined: September 3, 2007	My reaction to the Christmas decoration bit is open-mouthed amazement (or it was when I first read about it). Since Xmas (forgive the word; I'm using it deliberately) is a time when all the world and his wife (or whatever) celebrate the birth of Mammon rather than Christ and the decorations to which the Council refers have precious little if anything to do with the birth of Christ, where do they ever get the idea that Muslims (who revere Christ as a prophet, anyway) or Jews (who have long accepted that you put up with the customs of where you live) or any other faith would have the slightest objection, other than on grounds of taste? There is a sort of municipal schizophrenia at work here!



MickCook	Saturday, 23. August 2008, 17:58 Post #43
Posts: 633 Group: Members Member #18 Joined: September 26, 2006	Quote: There is a sort of municipal schizophrenia at work here! I could not have put it better. Very well said.
	:) Mick The Cook Companies


PJD	Saturday, 23. August 2008, 18:44 Post #44
Posts: 2,416 Group: Members Member #11 Joined: September 26, 2006	Scripturally speaking; withdrawal of wisdom might fit the bill better. PJD



william of bow	Sunday, 24. August 2008, 10:23 Post #45
Posts: 187 Group: Members Member #172 Joined: March 23, 2008	Plymouth is truly behind the times... charging for parking on a Sunday? Tut, tut. Better public relations to allow Sunday as a parking charge free day. It does wonders for city centres which are otherwise 'dead' on Sunday's. Fruitcakery is a product of people who know better than the rest of us and who enjoy patronising the rest of us. Which helps to explain why many of these stories get focussed on schools and nurseries. Its the teachers you know...! Fruitcakery or political correctness is born out of ignorance (a little knowledge is a dangerous thing) and a certain ideological way of seeing the world. And shame; that is to say shame of one's own culture and religion. These people, who wish to impose their own worldview on that of others, are usually not interested in the real views or needs of the supposed minorities they espouse to support. They make assumptions but they do not actually ask the Moslems, the Sikhs, the Jews, the Hindhus, others what they actually like or object to. Patronisation all the way is the name of the game. William
	William of Bow Quote: Blessed are they who have not seen and yet have believed: a passage which some have considered as a prophecy of modern journalism. [G.K.Chesterton] Check my Blog: http://www.williamonthehill.typepad.co.uk


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