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Redemptionis Sacramentum; text and discussion
Topic Started: Friday, 20. October 2006, 01:07 (1,994 Views)
Derekap
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Joseph, around midnight last night you thought I had spent some time abroad. I did spend three years in Egypt but it was just prior to V2. In fact the clergy were beginning to gather when I was transitting Rome Airport on the way home. Since then my experiences have been holiday travel. Frankly I cannot remember noticing any EMsHC so if there were any I just accepted it as a normality. Since lively debates on here I would be more observant. However, reduced mobility discourages from going through the turbulence of present day air terminals and going far.
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Clare
Apr 23 2007, 05:13 PM
Was this it, newminster?

Clare.

Hilarious Clare! :D :D :D

On the question of numbers of EMHCs. In the early days when their recruitment was the latest 'novelty' to hit our local parish the impression was certainly that any parishioner seen to be receiving Communion regularly at Sunday Mass (which was/is most of them) was 'in danger' of being invited to become an EMHC, We soon had 26 on the books, and the deacon (who did most of the recruiting) was heard to comment 'you ain't seen nothing yet'.

Thankfully he changed his tune later. In my estimation 6-EMHCs could comfortably handle the needs of the parish.
Joseph
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Derekap
Apr 23 2007, 05:19 PM
Joseph, around midnight last night you thought I had spent some time abroad.  I did spend three years in Egypt but it was just prior to V2.  In fact the clergy were beginning to gather when I was transitting Rome Airport on the way home.  Since then my experiences have been holiday travel.  Frankly I cannot remember noticing any EMsHC so if there were any I just accepted it as a normality.  Since lively debates on here  I would be more observant.  However, reduced mobility discourages from going through the turbulence of present day air terminals and going far.

No Derek, my question was not about the use of EMHCs abroad, but about the number of priests available and the expectations placed on them, in what may have been a far less priviledged Catholic community than our own, even today.

My point being that we simply expect and demand Mass and Holy Communion to be made available to us at our convenience whenever we wish. Yet in many other countries Catholics have never had anything like such a priviledged service - so what right have we to demand it now, with our dwindling priesthood?

We may need to be shaken out of our comfort zone to fully appreciate and value our faith - and that could even be God's plan.
Joseph
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PJD

I wonder why on earth you would want to have a Saturday full day course for EMHC’s?

Whilst the office of EMHC is important; it is even more important that the ministers in no way are tempted to glorify themselves or their prominence within the liturgical act. I am not saying that ministers actually do, or intend to do, this; but a full day course?

I’m probably wrong, over pessimistic as usual. However if the full day course were centered around a proper education on the ‘Real Presence’ and its theological implications – then I would agree you might spend a full day at it.

It would be interesting to learn from Pete exactly what the agenda consisted of. In other words what exactly went on – what was learned that one might not have to say ‘shouldn’t that have been known already’?

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pete

Watch this space PJD I will keep you informed. I assume much time will have been allocated for questions. Who knows there might even be a HAPPY HOUR :D
God bless
Pete
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Derekap
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Sorry Joseph, I can't help you with experience of problems in other countries.

PJD. When I was an EMHC we had an annual one day get-together of all ministers of the diocese. It started with a welcome Tea or Coffee and biscuits and then we had a speaker until lunch, which was provided. A Bar was available and either the same or another speaker for the afternoon. In conclusion there was a brief prayer and hymn singing and then Tea or Coffee and biscuits before going home. Some parishes paid the expenses and some hoped the members would be able to pay.

The speakers of course spoke on religious subjects, sometimes seriously sometimes humourously.


Since I left the diocese the event has been moved, obviously to a more economical venue, and take a packed lunch is now the norm.
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PJD

That sounds better Derek. Better than a tea party (smile).

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pete

Come off it PJD, I’m all for the tea party, especially if the food and drink are on the house.
God bless
Pete
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Thanks for that information Derek, it's very useful.
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CARLO
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Derekap
Apr 24 2007, 04:06 PM
Sorry Joseph, I can't help you with experience of problems in other countries.

PJD. When I was an EMHC we had an annual one day get-together of all ministers of the diocese. It started with a welcome Tea or Coffee and biscuits and then we had a speaker until lunch, which was provided. A Bar was available and either the same or another speaker for the afternoon.  In conclusion there was a brief prayer and hymn singing and then Tea or Coffee and biscuits before going home. Some parishes paid the expenses and some hoped the members would be able to pay.

The speakers of course spoke on religious subjects, sometimes seriously sometimes humourously.


Since I left the diocese  the event has been moved, obviously to a more economical venue, and  take a packed lunch is now the norm.

Derek

This sounds like a sensible programme for the day that would encourage those attending to do so again and help build up a spirit of friendship and co-operation.

I have never been to an EM day but if the current version is anything like Diocesan Congresses, Parish Discernment Days or 'compulsory meetings' for ministers of this that and the other then I am afraid a big YAWN is in order as every irrelevant subject under the sun is discussed. This followed by most of the 'ministers' ignoring all future 'compulsory meetings' or 'making their excuses' and the PP................................... doing..............well...............nothing about it!

:huh:

Libera nos
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CARLO
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A few postings from here have been moved to start a new discussion, so this one can stick to the subject of Redemptoris Sacramentun. You can find the moved posts by clicking:

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