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Redemptionis Sacramentum; text and discussion
Topic Started: Friday, 20. October 2006, 01:07 (1,999 Views)
Angus Toanimo
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Deacon Robert
Nov 6 2006, 10:14 PM
How long will people put up with this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WadbbxPoBlk

It's a joke!

It seems the people assisting are happy enough with it. Which means, it's highly unlikely any of them will report the priest.

But then, even if one did, it doesn't mean his bishop will disapprove or do anything about it.



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Deacon Robert, I watched that video and I am seething. I have seen cheap transport cafes where cups of tea are served with more courtesy and better organisation than the manner in which Holy Communion was administered at that Mass. The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion with the red hair looked like a nineteen fifties barmaid employed solely to attract the kind of man who wants to letch at a woman. The EHMCs were given chalices, and drank from them as though they were in the pub. If that were to happen in my church I would be writing letters, going through the proper channels.

Even the words of the Consecration were changed.
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Rose of York
Nov 6 2006, 11:27 PM
Deacon Robert, I watched that video and I am seething. I have seen cheap transport cafes where cups of tea are served with more courtesy and better organisation than the manner in which Holy Communion was administered at that Mass. The Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion with the red hair looked like a nineteen fifties barmaid employed solely to attract the kind of man who wants to letch at a woman. The EHMCs were given chalices, and drank from them as though they were in the pub. If that were to happen in my church I would be writing letters, going through the proper channels.

Even the words of the Consecration were changed.

Rose,

I didn't want to say this but, I will now:

The Mass was totally and utterly invalid.
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Me being me, I did some digging. I've found who the Priest is, his Church and the Diocese:

Fr. Fred Bailey
Corpus Christi
Aliso Viejo,
Diocese of Orange, (Bishop Todd)
California.

Oh, and here's his email address: fredkbailey@corpuschristialisoviejo.org


Here is the advertisement for this year's Mass (taken from his parish bulletin):

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Let your inner child come out to play… For those newly arrived at Corpus Christi since last October 31st you may not be aware of our most wonderful celebration of Halloween on the weekend PRIOR to October 31st…which this year will be NEXT weekend, October 28-29. In anticipation of All Hallows Eve parishioners are invited to come to Mass in costume (yep…that means adults AND kids). In addition, families/individuals are invited to carve a family Fred-O’Lantern (related to Jack but a lot more fun) for placement around the altar. Special treats (and very few tricks) will be available to the young and young at heart at all the Masses. In addition, let the wondering and guessing begin as to who or what FKB (Fred K. Bailey, the pastor) will become at the end of Mass; final clue: I love you, you love me. While some church communities scare their members with silly talk of Halloween being devil worship and other such nonsense, we Catholic-Christians understand that All Hallows Eve is the EVE of All Saint’s Day, an autumn celebration that honors our spiritual heritage. Secure in our knowledge of Jesus’ resurrection we are able to poke fun at the things that used to scare us and see them for the empty threats they always were. Our God is not threatened by carved vegetables; rather, he delights in a parish family that comes together in worship, fun and frolic.


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Named and shamed. And rightly so.
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I couldn't reach the suggested videos direct but I did eventually find them. There were two, short parts of which were repeated. The camera work was very amateurish and added to the already existing confusion. I noticed a bevy of singers dressed in white and wearing halos. The congregation as a whole seemed normal enough but seemed to have gone out by the time priest appeared dressed-up as a children's tv character.

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Derekap
Nov 7 2006, 04:44 PM
I couldn't reach the suggested videos direct but I did eventually find them. There were two, short parts of which were repeated.  The camera work was very amateurish and added to the already existing confusion.  I noticed a bevy of  singers dressed in white and wearing halos.  The congregation as a whole seemed normal enough but seemed to have gone out by the time priest appeared dressed-up as a children's tv character.

Did you notice that the she-devil was distributing communion, but the priest, before he went and sat down, was merely dishing it out and that he sat down before Holy Communion had even finished being distributed?

He also ad-libbed most of what was shown.

A complete and flagrant disregard for Redemptionis Sacramentum but more importantly, the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass itself.
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To me the whole event was a confusion. I did notice the Celebrant sat down long before the distribution of Holy Communion had finished. However, unlike some people I would not hasten to blame the event on V2 decisions. I would first of all be charitable and say the priest is mentally ill. At worst he has succombed to temptations of the Devil. I pray and hope his Bishop will react accordingly and relieve the parish from his activities. What is even worse is that some parishioners seemed to have enjoyed and co-operated with his ideas!
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I thought the man at the keyboard seemed to have spiked his hair into little horns. Look at this - an Extraordinary Minister of Holy Communion, with definite spikes.

Derek would first of all be charitable and say the priest is mentally ill. That does not explain why the parishioners did not walk out. I would say somebody has handed that parish over to Satan.

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Nov 7 2006, 11:30 PM
Derek would first of all be charitable and say the priest is mentally ill. That does not explain why the parishioners did not walk out. I would say somebody has handed that parish over to Satan.

What amazed me, Rose, was that among that congregation was a Nun (OP, I think) too!

We cannot be certain that the priest is mentally ill.
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http://www.avcatholics.org/Bulletin/2006/b_2006_10_15.pdf
The Newsletter for 15/16 October 2006
Corpus Christi Parish, Oregon


You better watch out, you better not cry….Halloween is only two weeks away!
For those who have joined our Corpus Christi family since last October 31st you may not be aware of a most wonderful celebration of Halloween on the weekend PRIOR to October 31st which this year will be the weekend of October 28-29. In anticipation of All Hallows Eve parishioners are invited to come to Mass in costume (yep…that means adults AND kids). In addition, families/individuals are invited to carve a family Fred-O’Lantern (related to Jack but a lot more fun) for placement around the altar.

Special treats (and very few tricks) will be available to the young and young at heart at all the Masses. In addition, let the wondering and guessing begin as to who or what FKB will become at the end of Mass! (Big hint…the color of a liturgical season and the bane of ‘creationists’.) While some church communities scare their members with silly talk of Halloween being devil worship and other such nonsense, we understand that All Hallows Eve is the EVE of All Saint’s Day, an autumn celebration that honors our spiritual heritage.

Secure in our knowledge of Jesus’ resurrection we are able to poke fun at the things that used to scare us and see them for the empty threats they always were. Carved vegetables do not threaten our God; rather, he delights in a parish family that comes together in worship, fun and frolic.


The bold highlights were done by me.

Fun and frolic? Would they have done that on Mount Calvary?

The good news is, I have looked at a lot of websites, and believe me, lots of letters have been sent to the Papal Nuncio and to the Vatican.

It seems the Bishop of Oregon is reputed to have banned congregations kneeling down during the Agnus Dei. I wonder if he would discipline a priest who supplied the needs of people who want to attend a reverential offering of the Holy Mass?

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Patrick
Nov 7 2006, 11:44 PM
We cannot be certain that the priest is mentally ill.

I doubt it very much. This is a whole community gone mad. Badness can lead to madness.
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An apology from the priest in the YouTube video:



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November 19th Weekly bulletin of Corpus Christi Catholic - Christian Community

November 8, 2006

Dear Bishop Brown:

Since 1998, when we first began celebrating liturgies here in Aliso Viejo, a particular dynamic has always been the youthfulness of our community with an obvious abundance of children. With this in mind, many of our programs have been developed to be of service to them and it was in this spirit that we began inviting children to wear their Halloween costumes to the Masses on the weekend prior to Halloween. Many parents inquired if they too could wear costumes so as to make it a family event, and thus, a Halloween tradition of having parishioners in costume at Mass was born. Based on our Catholic-Christian grounding of faith in Jesus Christ, we know that the assorted costumes of Halloween are a manner of poking fun and holding up to the light of Christ’s Resurrection the things that may have once frightened us.

I am aware that my enthusiasm for our family celebration of Halloween has caused me to neglect my pastoral duties of providing appropriate direction and instruction to our people regarding appropriate/inappropriate costumes. Prior to the weekend of October 28-29 I failed to adequately instruct our assorted liturgical ministers as to what might be appropriate apparel for their ministry. Because of this oversight on my part, we had some lay ministers of communion attired in devil horns and assorted other costumes that, in hindsight, I could easily have prevented if I had been more attentive to my pastoral duties. Bishop Brown, I stress to you the goodness and faith-filled integrity of the ministers who were so attired, they are some of our most involved and faithful members. They accepted me at my word in regards to their costume making fun of fearful things, and would be mortified to think that they gave offense to people of good faith. The lay ministers are innocent of any wrongdoing, the offense is mine and I take full responsibility.

I realize that my pastoral neglect and lack of prudent judgment has caused great concern and offense to many in the Church. I have given  my life as a priest to the Church of the Diocese of Orange and it causes me great pain to realize that my lapse in judgment could so easily transform a wonderful family tradition into something questionable and repugnant to people of good faith. From my heart I apologize to you and to the larger community of the faithful for my pastoral neglect.  I await your counsel and assistance in determining an appropriate manner of making amends for this matter. Sincerely, Reverend Fred K. Bailey


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If you thought the Hallowe'en Mass was bad enough, and you thought you'd seen it all, wait until you see this:

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"Dança Litúrgica apresentada pela Cia. de Artes Shalom (Comunidade Católica Shalom / Botafogo / Rio de Janeiro) no evento "12º Congresso Mundial das Novas Comunidades" (Canção Nova), no dia 02 de Novembro de 2006 (Quinta-Feira, de Finados).

www.comunidadeshalom.org.br
www.shalomrj.com.br

Liturgical Dance presented by "Cia. de Artes Shalom" ("Comunidade Católica Shalom" / Botafogo / Rio de Janeiro) in the "12º Congresso Mundial das Novas Comunidades" (Canção Nova). November, 2nd. 2006.

www.comshalom.org



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Incredible!

It's wicked! and I mean in the sense of satanic not cool

Is it in a discotheque or a church?

-And we get all het up over "All" and "Many"!!!
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nelly k

Really Really upsetting, when I think of Benidiction / Exposition,

What country is this in, it looks like a hall , small thearter,?

As for the first one, I am just as upset... nelly
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