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Topic Started: Monday, 2. October 2006, 11:21 (1,615 Views)
Gerard

Rose,
I printed mine out.
Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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Gerard

Rose,

Alternatively there is a rotate tool in the adobe toolbar just above the graph.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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maklavan
Oct 16 2006, 12:40 PM
The figures for a local Catholic Church make interesting reading. YEAR: Average Mass Attendance
1980 557
1986 532
1991 432
1996 313
2001 225
2005 148

These figures actually show that the leakage has slowed down.

Maklavan, this is how I interpret those figures:

Reduction in Attendance..........Number...................% rate
1980-1986..................................25.......................4
1986-1991.................................100.....................19
1991-1996.................................119.....................28
1996-2001...................................88.....................28
2001-2005...................................77.....................34

The percentage rate is increasing, not decreasing. If the parish loses 76 this year, and 1 next year, leaving nobody, would you say the rate is decreasing?

May I ask whether there has been a significant population shift of Christians moving out and other persons moving in?
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denis

I have often wondered when reading these figures do they take into account those who now attend SSPX Services who hopefully will be reconciled in the not too distant future.?
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Denis , attendance at SSPX centres in the UK is only about 1500. Even if they are reconciled, they want to exist as a entity within the Catholic Church, but not answerable to local Diocesan bishops. Judging by their accounts, the UK SSPX might not be financially viable for than a few years. They could teach bishops how to operate beyond their financial means. I know souls are more important than money, but churches and operating cost money.
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Here is a tale to cheer you all. In some parts of this country, there are people with enthusiasm and leadership.

On the thread "Interesting Churches" I posted a photo and description of the annual torchlight procession that used to take place in Yorkshire. When I posted that I did not know there were plans for a revival.

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Torchlight Procession
in honour of The Blessed Virgin Mary
 

The Torchlight Procession was started in the 1950's by Father Gallon so that parishioners could take part in what is both an act of public worship and a display of witness to our faith. After the Rosary was said at the Church the procession; preceded by a statue of Our Lady and a loudspeaker van playing appropiate Hymns got underway, the original route went on Cemetery Road and then along Wellington Street turning left at the Yorkshire Bank onto Commercial Street and finishing at the Market Place where there would be a short service followed by Benediction. I'm told that in the early days the Market Place would be full before the tail end of the procession had got onto Commercial Street, in later years the route was shortened by not going on Wellinton Street but entering onto Commercial Street at its other end. From the start it was hugely popular attracting people from all over the diocese and beyond, sadly in recent years attendance has declined and in 2001 the decision was taken to end the walk.

The Bishop's wish is for the Torchlight Procession to re start next year. Your help is needed so it is time to consider how and in what way it can be achieved.

MEETING REGARDING TORCHLIGHT: Will be held on Tuesday 10th October at 7.30pm, In the Presbytery. All who want to help especially to organise need to be at the meeting. We need your help and attendance is vital, Thank you.


The procession used to be over a mile long, and about six deep.

Revival is much more cheering than decline management.
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denis
Oct 16 2006, 11:58 PM
I have often wondered when reading these figures do they take into account those who now attend SSPX Services who hopefully will be reconciled in the not too distant future.?


Dennis, dont be silly. There is no chance whatsoever of these heretics being reconciled. They reject a whole Ecumenical Council. Its not about language it is about the authority of the Catholic Chuch.

Since cutting themselves off, this tiny sect has trodden the usual path of becoming ever more loopy.

Gerry
"The institutional and charismatic aspects are quasi coessential to the Church's constitution" (Pope John Paul II, 1998).
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maklavan

"The percentage rate is increasing, not decreasing. If the parish loses 76 this year, and 1 next year, leaving nobody, would you say the rate is decreasing?"

May I ask whether there has been a significant population shift of Christians moving out and other persons moving in?

I never could do maths! I was referring to an apparent reduction with the figures from 1991 to 1196. Anyway, it pales by comparison today,s big story on the news and in the Universe page,namely that 2 priests are alleged to have stolen $8.9 MILLION from the collection plate! That makes our paltry collection look like a flea on an elephant.
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maklavan
Oct 17 2006, 12:36 PM
I never could do maths!

Maklavan I was trying to say, for example one parish with 2000 attendance loses 10 people. A parish with attendance of 20 loses ten. One parish lost a few. The other parish lost half their people.

My guess is the parish you mentioned is in an inner city area. The older White English people die, and muslims move in. Younger White English people grow up and move to the outskirts. That is the situation in Bradford, and it is why the Bishop of Leeds is selling half the inner city churches and spending the proceeds on new ones in the new suburbs.
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maklavan
Oct 17 2006, 12:36 PM
Anyway, it pales by comparison today,s big story on the news and in the Universe page,namely that 2 priests are alleged to have stolen $8.9 MILLION from the collection plate! That makes our paltry collection look like a flea on an elephant.

That story was on BBC teletext last week. I gather the allegation is that the parish priest started taking money 20 years ago, and since then two assistant priests joined in. Well, they did take a vow of obedience.
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I am about to make a new thread called Heretics? Query?

Didn't we move some from here and start a new one for pro-Pentecostalism posts?

Now we have one for defence of Pentecostalism and one for defence of SSPX, against accusations of heresy. We can keep this one for suggested means of filling the pews of Catholic Churches in Britain.

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Gerard

I have a horrible feeling there is a lesson there.....

kick these out....

kick those out....

Gerry
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Gerard
Oct 17 2006, 02:53 PM
I have a horrible feeling there is a lesson there.....

kick these out....

kick those out....

Gerry



Gerry I am not sure what you mean. I was trying to be fair to both you and Patrick. Patrick is a moderator but I can see he has an interest in the SSPX issue so I split the thread without consulting him.

None of us has any interest in kicking you out, in fact my own opinion is, that you are a valued member of this forum.

CCR can have their say.

My problem on here was, experience has taught me that once SSPX is mentioned on any forum, topics go totally off topic. Pentecostalism is a big issue, and will no doubt develop into quite a long discussion.

I repeat, there is no desire whatsover to kick you (or any other person) out.
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Gerard

Rose,

Fear not I make no criticism of your decisions. I just wonder if there is a lesson? if so half of it would be for myself since its me criticising sspx.

Gerry
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Gerry there is no lesson. I just think big topics deserve big spaces of their own.
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