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| Topic Started: Monday, 2. October 2006, 11:21 (1,615 Views) | |
| Gerard | Monday, 16. October 2006, 16:19 Post #61 |
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Rose, I printed mine out. Gerry |
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| Gerard | Monday, 16. October 2006, 16:21 Post #62 |
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Rose, Alternatively there is a rotate tool in the adobe toolbar just above the graph. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Monday, 16. October 2006, 16:26 Post #63 |
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Maklavan, this is how I interpret those figures: Reduction in Attendance..........Number...................% rate 1980-1986..................................25.......................4 1986-1991.................................100.....................19 1991-1996.................................119.....................28 1996-2001...................................88.....................28 2001-2005...................................77.....................34 The percentage rate is increasing, not decreasing. If the parish loses 76 this year, and 1 next year, leaving nobody, would you say the rate is decreasing? May I ask whether there has been a significant population shift of Christians moving out and other persons moving in? |
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| denis | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 00:58 Post #64 |
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I have often wondered when reading these figures do they take into account those who now attend SSPX Services who hopefully will be reconciled in the not too distant future.? |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 01:08 Post #65 |
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Denis , attendance at SSPX centres in the UK is only about 1500. Even if they are reconciled, they want to exist as a entity within the Catholic Church, but not answerable to local Diocesan bishops. Judging by their accounts, the UK SSPX might not be financially viable for than a few years. They could teach bishops how to operate beyond their financial means. I know souls are more important than money, but churches and operating cost money. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 02:28 Post #66 |
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Here is a tale to cheer you all. In some parts of this country, there are people with enthusiasm and leadership. On the thread "Interesting Churches" I posted a photo and description of the annual torchlight procession that used to take place in Yorkshire. When I posted that I did not know there were plans for a revival.
The procession used to be over a mile long, and about six deep. Revival is much more cheering than decline management. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 09:43 Post #67 |
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Dennis, dont be silly. There is no chance whatsoever of these heretics being reconciled. They reject a whole Ecumenical Council. Its not about language it is about the authority of the Catholic Chuch. Since cutting themselves off, this tiny sect has trodden the usual path of becoming ever more loopy. Gerry |
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| maklavan | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 12:36 Post #68 |
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"The percentage rate is increasing, not decreasing. If the parish loses 76 this year, and 1 next year, leaving nobody, would you say the rate is decreasing?" May I ask whether there has been a significant population shift of Christians moving out and other persons moving in? I never could do maths! I was referring to an apparent reduction with the figures from 1991 to 1196. Anyway, it pales by comparison today,s big story on the news and in the Universe page,namely that 2 priests are alleged to have stolen $8.9 MILLION from the collection plate! That makes our paltry collection look like a flea on an elephant. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 13:13 Post #69 |
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Maklavan I was trying to say, for example one parish with 2000 attendance loses 10 people. A parish with attendance of 20 loses ten. One parish lost a few. The other parish lost half their people. My guess is the parish you mentioned is in an inner city area. The older White English people die, and muslims move in. Younger White English people grow up and move to the outskirts. That is the situation in Bradford, and it is why the Bishop of Leeds is selling half the inner city churches and spending the proceeds on new ones in the new suburbs. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 13:16 Post #70 |
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That story was on BBC teletext last week. I gather the allegation is that the parish priest started taking money 20 years ago, and since then two assistant priests joined in. Well, they did take a vow of obedience. |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 14:14 Post #71 |
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I am about to make a new thread called Heretics? Query? Didn't we move some from here and start a new one for pro-Pentecostalism posts? Now we have one for defence of Pentecostalism and one for defence of SSPX, against accusations of heresy. We can keep this one for suggested means of filling the pews of Catholic Churches in Britain. Rose ---- Moderator |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 14:53 Post #72 |
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I have a horrible feeling there is a lesson there..... kick these out.... kick those out.... Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 15:05 Post #73 |
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Gerry I am not sure what you mean. I was trying to be fair to both you and Patrick. Patrick is a moderator but I can see he has an interest in the SSPX issue so I split the thread without consulting him. None of us has any interest in kicking you out, in fact my own opinion is, that you are a valued member of this forum. CCR can have their say. My problem on here was, experience has taught me that once SSPX is mentioned on any forum, topics go totally off topic. Pentecostalism is a big issue, and will no doubt develop into quite a long discussion. I repeat, there is no desire whatsover to kick you (or any other person) out. |
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| Gerard | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 15:22 Post #74 |
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Rose, Fear not I make no criticism of your decisions. I just wonder if there is a lesson? if so half of it would be for myself since its me criticising sspx. Gerry |
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| Rose of York | Tuesday, 17. October 2006, 15:29 Post #75 |
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Gerry there is no lesson. I just think big topics deserve big spaces of their own. |
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