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| Topic Started: Wednesday, 27. September 2006, 23:23 (1,480 Views) | |
| Rose of York | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 17:07 Post #61 |
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Reception in the hand can be a humbling experience. Who am I that My Lord should deign to come to me, personally? What a privilege, to be so close to Christ in an intimate way. He is God. He is also my brother and my best friend. If Jesus were alive now, and he phoned and said he was popping round to see me, he would sit on my chairs. If I were to say "No, Lord, the Church is the only place fit for you" would he tell me not to be so silly? |
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| Clare | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 20:15 Post #62 |
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Even when reception on the tongue is officially described as "more reverent", you see no implication that reception in the hand is "less reverent"? I think that's what is called a corollary!
But, as the article I quoted says, whilst reception in the hand may be forbidden by bishops, reception on the tongue may not be forbidden! Communion in the hand was allowed, as an "indult", reluctantly, as a result of disobedience. Clare. |
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| PJD | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 21:04 Post #63 |
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Clare I don't know what source you are quoting from, but even so we have moved on since those times. The question of reverence is a matter that lies in the heart, and the heart should feel of 'equal love' whether the Lord is received on the tongue or in the hand. Why on earth would you deny it as less reverent anyway; I mean by what logical reference. PJD |
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| Clare | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 22:22 Post #64 |
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Memoriale Domini
So, since Communion in the hand was only permitted in those places where it had already become established, without prior permission, how has it come to be, seemingly, the most common method of distribution everywhere else too? Clare. |
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| Rose of York | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 23:21 Post #65 |
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The Bishops Conference of England and Wales were charged with the task of weighing carefully whatever special circumstances may exist here, taking care to avoid any risk of lack of respect or of false opinions with regard to the Blessed Eucharist, and to avoid any other ill effects that may follow. I have no idea what special circumstances prevailed in this country, then or now, but the Bishops make the decisions and I am happy to respect their authority to do so. |
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| CARLO | Saturday, 7. April 2007, 23:54 Post #66 |
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I have to say that the quotations from Memoriale Domini presented by Clare are fascinating and probably a great shock to those who are under the misapprehension that Communion in the Hand was some enthusiastic new development brought in by V2! And whatever the 'special circumstances' might have been in 1969 in the UK they did not justify the ripping out of the communion rails in our Churches. Veritas Truth CARLO |
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| Clare | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 10:43 Post #67 |
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Was Communion in the hand already being practised here then? If not, then, it appears that they had no authority to authorise it! Because, as far as I can see, the "indult" was only granted for places where it had been going on already (without permission having been sought beforehand!) The rule was and is Communion on the tongue. Communion in the hand is a tolerated aberration! Clare. |
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| CARLO | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 14:01 Post #68 |
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Clara I don't really know. In my Parish at the time everybody received on the tongue. Then they ripped out the Communion rail. Some say it was sold to travellers. Then everyone had to queue up and receive in the hand. Only a few continued to receive on the tongue. I can't remember any debate or discussion about it although I do remember sadness about the communion rail and some anger. Veritas Truth CARLO |
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| Derekap | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 18:12 Post #69 |
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I get the impression that for you, Carlo, the removal of the Communion Rails is of greater importance than whether Holy Communion is received in the hand or on the tongue. |
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| PJD | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 20:18 Post #70 |
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Very 'cool' answer that Derek. Wonder how Carlo will get out of that one (laugh). PJD |
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| Gerard | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 20:29 Post #71 |
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Yes Clare, frustrating is it not. All these intricate rules, divided and subdivided, precision upon precision.. And then The Holy Spirit goes and blows where He wills. Gerry |
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| Clare | Sunday, 8. April 2007, 22:38 Post #72 |
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Gerry, Yes, the Holy Ghost does blow where He wills. I fail to see what that has to do with the widespread practice of Communion in the hand! I know where I think the Holy Ghost is blowing! Clare. |
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| CARLO | Monday, 9. April 2007, 00:46 Post #73 |
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Derek Clearly you are very impressionable! Oremus Yawn CARLO
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| Rose of York | Monday, 9. April 2007, 01:04 Post #74 |
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Clare is about to convene a Council to discuss the matter. We await her new encyclical. :D |
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| PJD | Monday, 9. April 2007, 09:45 Post #75 |
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When people went up to the Altar rails and took Communion on the tongue; half the congregation didn't go to Communion. Now everyone goes (or expected to go?). In practical terms alone, leaving reverence aside, the old system either would not cope or it would be a very long service. Alternative of course, but some might not like this, instead of having just one lay person giving out the Host - you could have four or five lining up to take over from a rather tired priest. PJD |
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