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Ned	Sunday, 12. July 2009, 19:43
Posts: 674 Group: Members Member #61 Joined: March 1, 2007	Quicunque vult Saturday, 4. July 2009, 14:42 The Tridentine Mass is very similar to the Sarum Use. Most of the elements are the same, including for example the Canon of the Mass (what is now the First Eucharistic Prayer in the Ordinary Form). To say that the Sarum Use forms the basis of the Anglican Book of Common Prayer may be true in one sense, but the latter omits most of the Catholic theology and ritual while introducing some entirely new protestant material. The Tridentine Mass is much, much closer to the Sarum Use. Quite so, QV, but I think that I remember reading somewhere, a long time ago, that there were two distinctive features that went with the Sarum style (that is the 'english' style ) of the Mass: 1. The lavishness of the robes, the sacred vessels and the church-furnishings. (Carlo and Clare would have loved it - Henry VIII and Thomas Cromwell found looting it very profitable). 2. The prayers that were said BEFORE the priest went on the altar to say Mass (which became the Morning Prayers in the CofE's Book of Common Prayer). As an english identity had slowly coalesced after the Norman Conquest there were still all sorts of divisions in the Church and in society as a whole. Most parishes, and a few monasteries were 'english' and used the Sarum Mass, while most monasteries and the posher parishes used rites of Mass that were either after the french style or else were particular to a Religious Order. And there was a political aspect to it. Don't forget that Henry VIII had abolished slavery/serfdom. I'm reminded of a conversation I once had with an old Danziger - oops, sorry, an old Pole from Gdansk. He told me that he'd always seen himself as Polish and that in 1939 he'd been arrested by the (German) Danzig authorities the day the war started. I asked him why he'd been arrested, since I knew he was bi-lingual as all the danzigers were, he spoke english with a strong german accent, and a more prussian-looking man you could not imagine. And there were plenty of pro-German Catholics. 'Ach!' he said,'But they knew WHICH catholic church I went to.' That, I think, QV, was the significance of the Sarum rite. It was a symbol of the divisions in English society. Edited by Ned, Sunday, 12. July 2009, 19:46.


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