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Im sorry staff, but your off your game...
Topic Started: Dec 14 2009, 12:28 PM (1,262 Views)
Aolynk69
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Funny from someone that always came back to COS for what? 1 or 2 months then desapear 8,9 months and again, plp have lives in diferent ways,some of us work others go collage, have friends, trains for any sport, not everyone is a couch potato that have to be here all day to make you happy, its true we r not here all day every day but we still manage to have our job done, if this is not the clan you use to know and your not happy with it you welcome to leave and well who knows make your own Clan look like you have all the answers and all the power to manage one 100%.


And is easy to trow everything to the staff but what are you (members) doing to get this better?

I am sorry but was vexx not in a car crash that nearly took his life????
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as a member we cannot do anything to make this better because some staff who want it to remain the same have blocked Vexx from forums for speaking the truth.
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(12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez?
(12:24:38) <+Noj> lol
(12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape
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(12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo!
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This could have been handled better... by the members...
I feel this was a bad way about trying to improve things.
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Seeing as how I am amongst the last few to respond, I will give a lengthy reply in the hope of addressing some of the problems brought up, such that new members will not be led astray by a select few people currently in COS.


@Vexx:

1)
''when a regular member or recruit goes innactive, they are the one that pays for it, but when a staff member goes innactive, we all have to pay for it....

there is a thin line between The forums, in-game, and IRC, i think there should be a set amount of time that each staff should be in all three.''

^That is very true indeed.



2)
''This is something else i've seen alot of lately, people who get promoted and carried simply because they are a personal friend or well liked by a higher position.''

^As for this, I really must say that this is not the case at all. All applicants for staff positions are reviewed without bias by all staff and a final round of voting will decide the success of that particular applicant.

I have also found it to be the case where such accusations are called forth only when a person is promoted rapidly and others do not know, at the very least, anything that is going on behind the scenes. Such people tend to ignore the amount of work the promoted personal has put in and rather focus on the fact that he/she has attained a fast promotion. These ignorant folks will then resort to name calling to make their feelings felt when they know little, if any, at all what efforts the ''victim'' has invested in COS.



3)
''I hate seeing lower ranking members being treated like they are 2nd class suspenders. we are all people here, equal on every right. just because your name is yellow or red doesnt give you the right to disrespect anyone, and same goes the other way around.''

^vexx, I am seriously disappointed that you said this. You know why? Think about the way you treated mucy and for this, all of staff. In this issue, its more of us staff are 2nd class suspenders. The flaming you started today in irc is a prime example. If you really want COS to improve, you do not flame others in irc or otherwise. You bring it to pm. Simple as that. Instead, a select few have constantly said they want better for COS when they ARE the problem of COS; regularly flaming other and all.

This is regardless of whether the person involved has WRONGED you, made a poor judgement or otherwise. We staff are normal people, we do make faulty judgements as well.

As I said before, we staff take criticism well. However, what you guys are offering at times, are NOT criticism but FLAME. You do not criticise someone constructively if you turn it into a vile insult. Understand this and perhaps, we will understand you.


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Apart from these ''opinions'', I think vexx has helped COS in ways such as to make us staff work harder then ever before. For that, I thank you.





@Omar:

''some need to improve their communication skills and they've been a few bumps here and there, ''

^I agree with you on this. We staff have always wanted to work on this area of transparency so that misunderstandings between various 'volatile' members of COS and staff can be reduced. We have done some parts with regards to this by annoucing decisions to be made [in staffroom] and asking members to voice their opinions in various [public] threads as well.

These measures may not be sufficient and I assure you, we staff are working on this.



@Aol:

1)
''in the app section of the fourms it says add all staff members and talk to them game to be validated but some of ye play with private off what good is that doing if someone cant get in contact''

^All I am saying is that, we staff should try to play with private set at public at all times. Personally, I have played with private OFF ever since I joined COS and added applicants in game so as to verify them.



2)
''Ive noticed it some members are been treated by some staff like 2nd class like there below them''

^Yet again, similar to what I said to vexx.



3)
''Shoudnt we as members have a say on how this clan is run shouldnt we be able to give staff some advice like last week me and 2 other members were giving a staff member some advice but we got told i dont want yer advice if i need it ill ask the other staff members''

^I agree with this wholeheartedly. I, myself, was given an advice only a couple of days ago to increase my activity on irc and took it to heart. It was given by vexx and was done most amicably. Naturally, I accepted it as constructive advice. I also believe all staff should listen to the public. The voices of members are important. [hopefully not flame]



@Ciam:

Seriously, I cannot quote anything from what ciam wrote. The entire post embodies what I am thinking. This is a very epic summary of what we staff want from our members as well.

I believe ali also suggested something similar on a separate thread recently. These are members, recruits who really want to share the load with the staff and genuinely want COS to improve as a whole. Unlike those select few [yet again] who only say they want COS to improve but do little or nothing.



@Zingy:

Yet another very nice post that I believe in. The feedback given is constructive and helpful.
As for the questions, I will answer them to the best honesty I can give.

''So I pose these questions to all of the current staff members...

Where does your loyalty lie?
As said since I first joined COS, loyalty only with COS. [check my first few topics since joining clan for verification]

Are you still dedicated to improving the clan?
Very much so indeed. My workrate has been maintained since re-joining p2p.

Are you remaining active in the community?
I do hope so. My activity in forums is there. In-game, always there. In irc? I'll improve on it.


Very simple questions, yet they did made me do some reflections.




@Jamez:

''No one likes criticism but without it you are ignoring the people who are here experiencing your leadership and not liking how it is used.''

^I will say that I think this is proper. However, I just ask for the people who are giving criticism to once again, think about the way they are delivering it. Hurting others severely while providing criticism will not help. Furthermore, it is an accumulation of past actions that make it so difficult for the 'recipient' to listen to criticisms in a proper manner.

Thus, for this, I ask for understanding.





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On my part, while being a relatively new staff, I have done my best to read up/watch up (e.g. videos, archives and stuffs) on the past activities of COS to better understand what older members are talking about. For this, I can safely say that I do understand much of what people are saying when refering to the glory days and such.

Naturally, people will argue that reading is not experiencing and does little. However, at the very least, I DO KNOW what people are refering to. Besides, while I may have been promoted very quickly, I do know of several past staff personals who were also promoted relatively quickly as well. These are still here today with COS, despite not being staff at the moment. I trust you know who you are. Thus, I hope any reply to this will no longer refer to any ''inexperience'' I may have whatsoever.
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Dust this wasnt about staff getting places fast at all and 2nd class members dust your one of the people who did it so its hard for you too see if you say otherwise i can post what you said to me in irc a few months ago and let everyone know what kind of a person you really are i got along with you for the sake off it i said nothing to you for a month because it isnt worth the hassel anymore. and nice posting after the irc events
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well STAFF MEMBERS, i see what your saying and i respect your defenses
it seems your the only ones really fighting this..
all i asked for was improvement, but i guess that was to much to ask for
And ciam, i can see what your doing and i would give up if i were you, your not gonna get any higher on the ladder anytime soon, your history is way to questionable.

atleast one of my points were proved on this, power abuse.
as soon as mucy got the chance she banned me from the forums, leaving me not able to comment on anything.
there was no real reason for this, she didnt like what i had to say so she silenced me in a very cowardly way.
it wasnt until i told her i had i was going to post a quitting log that she finally let me on.
and if there were problems in IRC, why not kb me there??
IRC and the forums are completely unrelated.

IDC what anyone says, including icie
there are so many people that could make a better Advisor than her.
PM anyone, even some of the staff, and they'll tell you the same.
someone who takes a game this serious is not fit to lead, and IMO needs a big reality check.
the girl needs to be put on a leash for lack of a better term.
but as long as icie supports such a travesty and she has her "minions"
This is HER clan.

this has lead to me quitting, i wont have someone like that have that kinda control over me, especially when power abuse is involved
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I'm not trying to climb the ladder, I'm too busy to hold a position. I am simply voicing my opinion.
And if I'm not mistaken didn't you yourself say no flaming would be tolerated? Are you not flaming Mucy?

Hypocrite...
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Dec 14 2009, 09:39 PM
well STAFF MEMBERS, i see what your saying and i respect your defenses
it seems your the only ones really fighting this..
all i asked for was improvement, but i guess that was to much to ask for
And ciam, i can see what your doing and i would give up if i were you, your not gonna get any higher on the ladder anytime soon, your history is way to questionable.

atleast one of my points were proved on this, power abuse.
as soon as mucy got the chance she banned me from the forums, leaving me not able to comment on anything.
there was no real reason for this, she didnt like what i had to say so she silenced me in a very cowardly way.
it wasnt until i told her i had i was going to post a quitting log that she finally let me on.
and if there were problems in IRC, why not kb me there??
IRC and the forums are completely unrelated.

IDC what anyone says, including icie
there are so many people that could make a better Advisor than her.
PM anyone, even some of the staff, and they'll tell you the same.
someone who takes a game this serious is not fit to lead, and IMO needs a big reality check.
the girl needs to be put on a leash for lack of a better term.
but as long as icie supports such a travesty and she has her "minions"
This is HER clan.

this has lead to me quitting, i wont have someone like that have that kinda control over me, especially when power abuse is involved

100% agreed with every word of this, no other input required.

I kept this is from a month or 2 ago:

JAMEZ:
"With all respect, I left CoS in Runescape but not in Brotherhood, I remained active on forums because I knew and enjoyed talking to people. Everything I said in IRC I believe and do not deny, I asked you for more information before that and you more or less spit in my face do not deny it I saved the conversation and shared it with other members who asked. I care little for who was removed but the direction this clan as a brotherhood goes is important to me. I just want you to know that I trust Mucia as your advisor 0%. None of the members that recently left got along with her, at all. I know this because months ago I defended her from them in the chat. Multiple people see her as taking more and more CoS leadership for herself dubbing this the "Council of Mucy" by these others. Also the newer members are seemingly more loyal to her than they would be to you in the possibility of a fight for leadership. You likely do not believe this at all but I feel I should tell you my suspicions for the sake of the Brotherhood which is falling apart and I care about. This is not a threat from me but a small form of advice that you should at least keep in the back of your head for future possibilities. At least respect my thoughts even with the past argument we have had and my status as a retired member, because I want to keep whatever brotherhood is left in this clan together and you should feel the same."

ICIE JUICY:
"I appreciate your input and I will, as you asked keep it in mind in the future. Thanks Jamez. But be advised that the way in which you have been acting lately is not in the best interest of COS. I can count on up to 5 occasions (that I have seen) in which you have either posted or stated the number of members in COS in a very poor manor, as if we are a dead clan. Obviously you are smart enough to understand that if there is a problem, we need input and solutions to these problems, we don't need people running around bashing COS because of a lower than average member count."

"I would appreciate if you stopped bad mouthing COS and rather began to help COS, like you did in the past."



My pre-warning goes unheard, and I leave it there
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(12:24:12) <+`Jamez> strange im mostly in the cow fields
(12:24:20) <+`Jamez> satisfying my hunger
(12:24:26) <+`Jamez> for the big buns
(12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez?
(12:24:38) <+Noj> lol
(12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape
(12:25:06) <+Noj> lol
(12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo!
(12:25:40) <+Noj> save
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Sure ciam...we all believe you...

and is it really flaming if everything i said is a fact and not false statements??
ive mad some mistakes, but i wasnt the one banning people for no reason now was I?
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They asked you to stop, you disobeyed them. That seems grounds enough for me.
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Ciam199
Dec 14 2009, 09:57 PM
They asked you to stop, you disobeyed them. That seems grounds enough for me.

At this point, one thing comes to mind,
Who gives a shit.
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:bunny Beaverboy has been here.
(12:24:12) <+`Jamez> strange im mostly in the cow fields
(12:24:20) <+`Jamez> satisfying my hunger
(12:24:26) <+`Jamez> for the big buns
(12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez?
(12:24:38) <+Noj> lol
(12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape
(12:25:06) <+Noj> lol
(12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo!
(12:25:40) <+Noj> save
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Jamez.. your not even in CoS... Your retired.
Why do you care about this?
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Ciam199
Dec 14 2009, 09:57 PM
They asked you to stop, you disobeyed them. That seems grounds enough for me.

your not very sneaky are you?
we were cracking up, we've had more fun in irc tonite than in a good awile
sure alote of it was fighting.
but had nothing to do with this topic until i seen that i was banned for no reason at all.
you guys are ganging up on me, trying to make me think i did something to deserve getting banned from posting on my own topic.
i was a little cocky on irc for a bit, but it stopped way b4 any of this happened.
i must have notta been to bad, i didnt even get kb'd
if you guys are gonna lie, dont try to bullshit a bullshitter
i did nothing wrong before i got banned.
can you explain that?
or how about mucy come and explain why i was banned instead of sending her lackeys
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In my opinion, you quit, you shouldn't even have access to this thread...
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Dec 14 2009, 10:06 PM
Jamez.. your not even in CoS... Your retired.
Why do you care about this?

He's been here way longer than you, has the respect of the members, and done awesome things for cos.

you couldnt stand in his shadow tbh ciam..
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