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| Vexx hiwind | Dec 14 2009, 12:28 PM Post #1 |
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Legendary Thief Of Vvardenfell
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My Idea of improvement These are my opinions, if you do not agree with me, then you are free to express so. flaming will not be tolerated, if you have something to say, do so in a proper manner. Being Active Let me start off by saying that no names will be mentioned, just the issues that i think need to be addressed and improved. firstly, i would like to address members and staff being active, both for long periods and short alike. when a regular member or recruit goes innactive, they are the one that pays for it, but when a staff member goes innactive, we all have to pay for it. it doesnt matter if your only on once a week for a short period of time or once a month for a long period of time, either way things dont get done as they should. but lets take this into consideration, if your not going to be around for your duties or to even socialize with members, why not step down and give someone else a chance to show what they got?? why stay and be a rarely seen face?? for the false illusion of power, I've seen many awesome guys/girls that get promoted to staff and suddenly become irresponsible, rude, and abuse their power. Its a game guys, dont treat it like school or a job. there is a thin line between The forums, in-game, and IRC, i think there should be a set amount of time that each staff should be in all three. having your RSN set to private doesnt help anyone, say a possible member wants to join COS, but has never used swiftkit or IRC. and he cant you message you to get the information to apply, not a good scenario right? Say your playing RS, and you want some privacy so you dont join the IRC channel, a argument brakes out and the entire channel is filled with flaming and spam. not a good scenario right? Doing forum work doesnt excuse you from everything else, incuding events and monitoring IRC. you took the responsibility to be here often and do more than the average member, if you real life is so busy, then i suggest you step down. lately i've seen recruits doing more than staff and being way more active. something i've never seen in this clan. The Buddy system This is something else i've seen alot of lately, people who get promoted and carried simply because they are a personal friend or well liked by a higher position. It should not be this way, i would rather have a total social outcast that does there job well rather than a well liked person that is lazy, ignorant, and cocky. another word i dont like to throw up is "ass kisser". An ass kisser is can be spotted very easily by most people, except for the ones they "suck up" to. Treat those as you would want to be treated now i dont see this as often as the other things, but it still happens, I hate seeing lower ranking members being treated like they are 2nd class suspenders. we are all people here, equal on every right. just because your name is yellow or red doesnt give you the right to disrespect anyone, and same goes the other way around. Do your job This section kind of goes with the active part of the thread. I've seen this clan in a near perfect state before, and its not that hard to restore it back to the "glory days", but we all have to set a goal and strive for it. doing a half-done job is pathetic, event activity is down, member numbers are waaayy down, even IRC is a graveyard most of the time. Yall can do better, i know you can, even our leader can improve in ways, you just got to put in a little extra effort. Closing statements these are just a number of the problems that i could find to address, and these are just my opinons, even if nobody agree's with me, i had to do this, maybe i can open some eyes and let people see that there our alot of things we can do to make this clan better. I am open and willing to take this into the debate thread for those who claims what im saying is utter and total bullshit. Thank You. |
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| evilboy222 | Dec 14 2009, 12:37 PM Post #2 |
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This is wat happens when u dont have 99 fishing
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Thank you Vexx for bringing this to the attention of Myself and the other members of are staff and clan mates. |
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| ali-x6 | Dec 14 2009, 01:22 PM Post #3 |
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3 words to say only ( more activity plz)
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| Jamez | Dec 14 2009, 02:05 PM Post #4 |
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Eviction notice posted!
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I love you Vexx |
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Began playing: 2001 "Once a CoS, always a CoS" Icie Juicy Beaverboy has been here.(12:24:12) <+`Jamez> strange im mostly in the cow fields (12:24:20) <+`Jamez> satisfying my hunger (12:24:26) <+`Jamez> for the big buns (12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez? (12:24:38) <+Noj> lol (12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape (12:25:06) <+Noj> lol (12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo! (12:25:40) <+Noj> save | |
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| omar6000 | Dec 14 2009, 02:16 PM Post #5 |
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Perm banned 3 times, Perm muted 2 times and locked over 7 times.
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Yeah, not in a lot of ways just some need to improve their communication skills and they've been a few bumps here and there, but I'm not giving names, it's not improving in A LOT of ways, but in some. |
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| Aolynk69 | Dec 14 2009, 02:34 PM Post #6 |
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Lads above me more input please^^ Anyways thanks vexx for bring this up as it does need to be addresed. Being Active Well what can i say on this part as me myself was removed from a staff position a few months ago because i was inactive i had my reasons why i was inactive and if you know then you know but i will not go into it here. I totally understand why i was removed so why should now be any different. What is the difference today, in my eyes every person should be treated the same way everytime or could it have something to do with the buddy system in place?. Now to fourms and irc you can still work on the fourms and be on irc at the same time just change your nick to name|fourms and turn highlights on that way if someone needs you all we have to do is say your name and you get a beep its not that hard. irc is the main hub of this clan its where we talk to each other everyday so if your playing rs you should be on irc yes i know some people cant access it all the time but when your playing the game you should be on it you dont have to talk much if you dont want to just be there in case something happens. in the app section of the fourms it says add all staff members and talk to them game to be validated but some of ye play with private off what good is that doing if someone cant get in contact with ye none what so ever. The Buddy system. I dont think i need to say much more on this matter that vexx hasnt all ready said, we all know its there and if you cant see it well your not looking. Treat those as you would want to be treated. This isnt happening at all, Ive noticed it some members are been treated by some staff like 2nd class like there below them or something my understanding was that we are all on a equal page in this clan and atm that isnt happening and its all about the power yes you can kb if we dont aggre with what you say. Shoudnt we as members have a say on how this clan is run shouldnt we be able to give staff some advice like last week me and 2 other members were giving a staff member some advice but we got told i dont want yer advice if i need it ill ask the other staff members Wtf is that about, staff are here to help this clan so are we so what is it were not staff so we cant give advice? something has to change otherwise this is going to cause a huge rift between members. |
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| Jamez | Dec 14 2009, 03:02 PM Post #7 |
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Eviction notice posted!
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Its been apparent for a good amount of time, a good many members have taken note of it. |
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Began playing: 2001 "Once a CoS, always a CoS" Icie Juicy Beaverboy has been here.(12:24:12) <+`Jamez> strange im mostly in the cow fields (12:24:20) <+`Jamez> satisfying my hunger (12:24:26) <+`Jamez> for the big buns (12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez? (12:24:38) <+Noj> lol (12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape (12:25:06) <+Noj> lol (12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo! (12:25:40) <+Noj> save | |
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Icie Juicy
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Dec 14 2009, 03:14 PM Post #8 |
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95% jucier than your average Clan Leader
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First I have to disagree with that and I've posted the numbers that prove it's false. Our event number, since October are way up. And our member numbers are equally higher since the end of October when we had a minor exodus. Outside of that statement, there are a lot of truths in this topic and it's not nearly "utter and total bullshit". Honestly I would advise everyone in COS to leave if the we as staff claimed, or anyone else in COS claimed that we were "are doing a perfect job". There is ALWAYS room for improvement and to assume that we (staff) don't know that and more importantly aren't working on that is ignorant. I've made this clear to a few people, but each week I am trying to look at one position inside of staff. For example the past two weeks we were focusing our efforts into getting the EC position filled and the next week into the Warlord position. In the next few weeks I plan on addressing other positions inside staff, ones that may need adjustments if they are not functioning as planned. Buddy System The only Buddy System we have in this clan is our Mentor program. For those who think otherwise, maybe you should apply for a staff position next time (when you are qualified) and see how that works out for you. Or maybe apply for the Event Team or Mentor. As I can tell you that 3 out of our last 4 promotions have been to members that have held one of those ranks or another staff position (Dustdevil, Butleg23 and Evilboy222). We have always stated the best way to get into a staff position is to work with us, so we know how you work and to do that these positions are crucial. Treat those as you would want to be treated Of course this is true and always should be. I can speak for myself when I say I live by that. I'm positive that no one here can speak otherwise. Outside of myself I do not often see this occuring. And as I always say, if something like this does happen you can contact me and I'll address this issue. Do your job Well you state it's "not that hard" to get us back to the glory days. And trust me, I wish that was true. If it happened over night, it would have been done already. Though that is not the case and we are working our way, pretty productively in that direction. There are a lot of factors that go into that, such as events, community, warring, members, recruitment, staff... We are all just one part of that and to get us back to the glory days we need all of those pieces functioning together effectively. For example, the warring aspect of COS is just now getting back into things. So it takes time, that's my main point. Now I'd rather see this thread transform from "opinions" to "ideas". That's because anyone with half a brain can state his/her opinions, while it takes the rest of the brain to think of your opinions objectively and create ideas out of those that can be used to solve some negative opinions. So if we can lead this thread in that direction I would love it. Thanks Vex and everyone else for carining enough to bring these points up, but let's get a little more productivity out of it? |
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| Ciam199 | Dec 14 2009, 03:24 PM Post #9 |
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The Clam is strong.
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I agree that some things could be improved, but it is not just up to the leaders. The leaders can't just magically improve activity, that rests on your shoulders. If you want more activity then go recruit a bit and go to the events. start up conversations on IRC. The leaders don't need to be there throwing out ice-breakers every few minutes to keep the IRC alive, that is not their job. Your probably going to call me an "ass kisser", but whatever. I believe that the members of this clan have more control than the leaders of it do. The leaders are simply here to try to organize your wants into attainable goals. If you want more activity then be more active. If you want more members, then recruit... I'm sure you all have at least a few friends that you could recruit. We all have Lives and, sorry, but Runescape and CoS has its place. Our leaders and most of us have jobs, "signifigant others", school and several other needs to attend to. CoS is a want, we have needs. In my opinion going down on our leaders because you are unhappy with the member count or activity is wrong. Go out and recruit, be active, attend events. You are a hypocrite if you are upset at the leaders because of member count, but you, yourself, wont recruit. You might think that I'm just an ignorant new member, but the truth is I have seen this clan go through a lot more than most of you have... I've seen this clan grow, I've seen this clan merge, and I've seen this clan rise back up from the ashes when most of us thought it was dead. What I have seen, is that the members ARE the most powerful people in this clan. If you are upset, then work to change it. Instead of telling the staff how poor of a job they are doing, why not offer up new ideas? Go ahead call me a Ass Kisser, I've been called worse.. It doesn't bother me. But, next time you are about to go throw a fit at the leaders because of poor member count or activity, stop and think. Telling the leaders to increase member count without trying to recruit yourself is pure hypocritical. |
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| Zingy777 | Dec 14 2009, 05:03 PM Post #10 |
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We'll I've seen the glory days, some of the worst days, and the even the inner workings of our highest officers, so I guess I'll throw a few things out there. Staff Members In terms of activity, you have to give to sympathy to the staff. I don't blame you though Vexx, I too once had the same viewpoint. When I was an advisor, I was probably one of the more active staff members. I got a lot of positive feedback from members and eventually it started getting to my head. Pretty soon I was calling for resignations from even the highest officers, mostly because they weren't as active as I was. However, I now realize that it wasn't my duty to do so. Any member who has worked hard enough to gain a staff position is worthy of keeping it. They had done a lot of work for the clan in past and therefore deserve it. But, what these members must realize is with the power comes great responsibility. Those responsiblities can be summed up to putting forth your best effort. School happens, family happens, life happens... but as long as a person maintains their loyalty and dedication to the clan, they shouldn't have to resign. So I pose these questions to all of the current staff members... Where does your loyalty lie? Are you still dedicated to improving the clan? Are you remaining active in the community? So if you're putting RS over the clan, just doing the minimum amount of work, or not trying your best to interact with all of the clan's members, you may want to consider whether or not you deserve your job. Members/Recruitment I agree that our amount of members is down, but we are far from a dire situation. When I first joined, we were far worse off. However, we eventually grew due to an increase in recruitment, more effort for events, and improved warring. It's when these things came to an end that we began to struggle. Recruitment is by far the biggest source of our new members. However, recruitment threads just don't cut it. Sure they get viewed a ton, but so do other clans'. Therefore you must go above and beyond to bring in new members. From hosting events, to posting on looking for clan threads, to just spreading word around in-game, that's the way to go. GET CREATIVE!!! It's up to everybody to contribute to our clan's growth. Now if you like the clan just the size it is, then this doesn't apply to you, but if you want to return to the glory days, then start recruiting. Although events usually don't bring in new members, they help keep them. Many members often leave due to a lack of people at events. The only way I see to improve on our attendence numbers is to actually start attending events. It royally ticks me off when I see clan members on-line during the entire course of an event and yet they don't even show up. Sure, the minimum amount of events you need to attend is three, but I'm pretty sure that everybody joined COS so they could attend events and make new friends. If you're not partaking in clan activities, why are you in the clan? I personally despise warring, but regardless, it gives our clan a good name. Therefore, when a war or war training event is scheduled, you should always try to go out of your way to make it. I too have skipped war training events because they're boring and not extremely productive unless you're new to warring. However, they are helpful at times as a refresher and therefore should be attended. Overview In conclusion, I'm not saying any staff should leave, but all of them should consider whether or not they should still be preforming their jobs. And if you wish to return to the glory days of COS, you now know how to do so, you just need to execute it. |
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| Vexx hiwind | Dec 14 2009, 08:02 PM Post #11 |
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Im not saying all the staff should get demoted and banned from cos. nothing like that. what im saying is some should strive to do a great job rather than the bare minimum. i see your views and i can agree with some, but my argument still stands. im not going to comment or speculate on other opinions, this is not a normal post. if you want to argue about it, im still open for debate on the debating threads |
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Dec 14 2009, 08:25 PM Post #12 |
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Can you handle me? i dare you.
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Funny from someone that always came back to COS for what? 1 or 2 months then desapear 8,9 months and again, plp have lives in diferent ways,some of us work others go collage, have friends, trains for any sport, not everyone is a couch potato that have to be here all day to make you happy, its true we r not here all day every day but we still manage to have our job done, if this is not the clan you use to know and your not happy with it you welcome to leave and well who knows make your own Clan look like you have all the answers and all the power to manage one 100%. And is easy to trow everything to the staff but what are you (members) doing to get this better? |
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| Vexx hiwind | Dec 14 2009, 08:33 PM Post #13 |
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Legendary Thief Of Vvardenfell
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im sorry. but what the fuck did you just say? |
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| Jamez | Dec 14 2009, 09:24 PM Post #14 |
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Eviction notice posted!
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Mucy what you said was more or less a badly executed, childlike and personal attempt at striking at Vexx's activity, this topic is the attempt to get things better, if it isn't brought up than it isn't fixed. Maybe because anywhere else mentioned this would be ignored, closed, cut short, Possibly Altered.... and what not before multiple people can view it. No one likes criticism but without it you are ignoring the people who are here experiencing your leadership and not liking how it is used. Than again not all leaders are going to be liked, but none should be completely and utterly disliked by a vast majority of members and remotely blind or ignorant of it, know what I mean Mucy? I am pretty sure RESTORING COS to its GLORY means returning it to what we used to know succeeded and or making it better than its best moments that some used to love. Some people have different ideas of its older glory and are trying to take it in directions conflicting with others ideas of old glory. Always thought about making my own clan, but as a leader I don't like criticism and would likely gift ranks to suck ups, bitches and people who didnt speak their mind, everyone wants an advisor that backs them up even when wrong. That's why I stayed on the down low and attempt to fight for more member involvement, counter my personal curse, although I have made little success in that area and encountered a large roadblock..... As a clan leader, Id be following few of Vexx's ideas so its best I am not a clan leader, for the safety, security, and vitality of the clan, you should know what I mean Mucy. That's my 2 cents, take it or hate it, I have no reason to worry about your criticism because I an trying to achieve something here that benefits members and recruits of the future COS. |
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Began playing: 2001 "Once a CoS, always a CoS" Icie Juicy Beaverboy has been here.(12:24:12) <+`Jamez> strange im mostly in the cow fields (12:24:20) <+`Jamez> satisfying my hunger (12:24:26) <+`Jamez> for the big buns (12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez? (12:24:38) <+Noj> lol (12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape (12:25:06) <+Noj> lol (12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo! (12:25:40) <+Noj> save | |
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| Jamez | Dec 14 2009, 09:28 PM Post #15 |
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Eviction notice posted!
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Hold the fonzie it appears we already have some altering to who can and cannot post to possibly change some favor on this topic, that's pretty fucked up on the part of the person with that control.... |
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Began playing: 2001 "Once a CoS, always a CoS" Icie Juicy Beaverboy has been here.(12:24:12) <+`Jamez> strange im mostly in the cow fields (12:24:20) <+`Jamez> satisfying my hunger (12:24:26) <+`Jamez> for the big buns (12:24:37) <+Noj> poopeating jamez? (12:24:38) <+Noj> lol (12:24:57) <+`Jamez> more like animal rape (12:25:06) <+Noj> lol (12:25:11) <+`Jamez> what can i say i like it when the cow goes moooo! (12:25:40) <+Noj> save | |
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