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aolynk69 and seth; if cos is more open?
Topic Started: Nov 4 2009, 01:08 AM (693 Views)
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well i suppose by now you know me and seth got removed from cos and have left cos as of today but the thing i want to ask is was it the right move?

Debate! unless this gets closed and locked this isnt a jab at anyone i just want to see how members feel about it witch i think me and seth should know

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I think there's a lot of non CoS like actions going on at the moment, and I am not sure what to think.
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i have no idea what this is about...
so im investigating it :D but that means someone could feed me complete BS so...
if any1 feels like explaining it to me? PM?
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No one was "removed from COS"... <_<

It was a simple demotion and let me again CLEARLY state why, so that everyone understands. Honda (Seth) was demoted for failing to fullfil his role as EC. Aol, despite his efforts (which for the hundreth time, were appreciated) was also unable to fullfil his role as EC on a consistant basis.


As Event Coordinator there are obvious responsibilities, such as creating a good event schedule (making sure it's posted on time) and posting the event schedule, participating in important event discussions to improve the events and attendance, posting and updating competitions and creating polls to engage members in productive event discussions. Not to mention leading events and posting event logs.


Aol who was mostly responsible for managing the skills competitions had failed several times to update the competition or even post the winner for the month and was warned by Mucy (the Advisor of Events, who oversees the EC's) that he needed to take care of his job.

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Re:Competition Updates, Sep 14 2009, 08:19 AM   
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Hey,

After speaking with Mucy she's told be she has asked you multiple times to complete the updates for the skill competition and you have failed to do any updates yet. This is part of your role as an EC and Mucy is in charge of this area, so when she tells you to get something done, it needs to be done.

So please get these done on time in the future. If you have any questions about them or need help, either come to me or Mucy about it.

Thanks



she hasnt asked me once this month to update it but i know ive been sliping but life atm has been all over the place so i barley get time to get on rs and irc to even talk but ill do it there now. sorry about that


This is just an example of Aol not being able to do his job. However, we continued to give him more attempts and simple warnings to pick it up. Aol also failed to created event schedules and has posted them late on several occasions.


Honda has had similar issues with not completing event schedules as well and not participating in discussions about events. On the 21st of October a thread in the Event Room was made to discuss our poor event attendance the last few months in COS and several disturbing stats so we could figure out a solution to make events better.

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Amount of Events to this point in October: 12
Amount of Events with 5 or less attendance: 9
Scheduled Events to this point in October: 19
Updates to Competitions: 0
Number of GMT Events: 1
Number of Polls or Threads created in Official Event section: 0

So 75% of our events that actually occur have 5 or fewer members, which means that 15% of our scheduled events have had more than 5 people. This could be due to many factors, timing of events, type of events, no one posting in IRC/shoutbox prior to event start, too few members. Also each event needs to have an assigned Leader, no more exceptions here, and that assigned Leader is 100% responsible for getting people to that event and making changes if needed.


There was a lot more to this thread and I PM'd a link to all of the EC's asking them to read the topic and reply. None of them replied and I received no feedback at all regarding this discussion from any of the EC's.

Now here is a PM I received from Mucy regarding an event schedule that Honda was suppose to post on Friday and it had not been posted on this date, being Sunday.

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schedule :(, Sep 27 2009, 09:36 PM   


Ok just to let you know i try this friday that Honda make the schedule and he say yes and i even told him about ur event and a mole event the members want and he just ignore me, like how he ignore me and even you of posting the events to the calendar.




Now Aol you asked if this was the right decision. I say it was the right decision, not for you guys personally as it shows, but for COS, the rest of it's members and for COS Events. What was simple about this whole situation was that the COS Events were not working and there was not much effort to make them any better, they had become stagnant.


Please keep in mind, I do not enjoy bringing this stuff up and I do not want to speak bad about either of you. I am only pointing out the case in which we were in. I personally like both of you as people and know you are both good guys, otherwise you would not have been promoted. I wish that you two would not have taken this to heart so hard and saw that it truly is not some sort of personal attack and that you both are welcome around here.

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Amount of Events to this point in October: 12
Amount of Events with 5 or less attendance: 9
Scheduled Events to this point in October: 19
Updates to Competitions: 0
Number of GMT Events: 1
Number of Polls or Threads created in Official Event section: 0

So 75% of our events that actually occur have 5 or fewer members, which means that 15% of our scheduled events have had more than 5 people. This could be due to many factors, timing of events, type of events, no one posting in IRC/shoutbox prior to event start, too few members. Also each event needs to have an assigned Leader, no more exceptions here, and that assigned Leader is 100% responsible for getting people to that event and making changes if needed.



that was the thread i was talking about in the earlier post i made in here http://z10.invisionfree.com/COS/index.php?...11357&st=15&hl=


this discussion concerned EC yet no EC replied! to make matters worst, it had hints pertaining the outcomes of your positions yet, no EC read it. tbh, i was very surprised to see that darkdan, mucy and i were the replies to this discussion because we aren't even ECs. i know this was made public on the shoutbox and Icie said he pmed you guys. that is a lot of effort going to trying to get you guys to check this discussion. no reply.


icie basically cleared up all the mess in the above post. i doubt there is more to discuss.
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First of all Aol, I dont believe this matter is up for debate in the rest of CoS. Though seeing as you feel it is I will throw in my two cents.

First of all, speak for yourself. Seth has made no hostile inclinations towards this clan since he left. I would like it if you didn't include him in any of your posts unless he personally voiced his opinion here.

Second, no one was removed from cos, you were demoted due to -- what we thought -- was a lack of fulfillment in your staff position due to real life issues. Understand this and take it to heart.

You were given the chance to be part of the event team Aol, if you couldn't tell we were giving you a chance to prove your worthiness again. Except you perceived it as a down grade. I have you know that if you really felt the need to have your staff position back, there was your chance to prove it. Less responsible, yes, but a chance to still do good things for this clan and prove your willingness to do so.
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ye lads i know this topic was brought up in bad terms and im sorry about that im just pissed off at the way it happened and after a good night sleep im sorry for the way i acted if ye think thiss move is good for cos then i support it sorry about the way i acted
close his if needs be as there is no need for this topic
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yer a nice and cool dude deep down man.. dun let this get to you. and come back to COS. this is, but a trivial matter. no need to leave.
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ye lads i know this topic was brought up in bad terms and im sorry about that im just pissed off at the way it happened and after a good night sleep im sorry for the way i acted if ye think thiss move is good for cos then i support it sorry about the way i acted
close his if needs be as there is no need for this topic

Ever heard the expression "Wait a day before you give an angry letter, you might not feel the same the next day"?

just sayin

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Nov 3 2009, 10:08 PM
well i suppose by now you know me and seth got removed from cos and have left cos as of today but the thing i want to ask is was it the right move?

Debate! unless this gets closed and locked this isnt a jab at anyone i just want to see how members feel about it witch i think me and seth should know

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Nobody was removed

The clan needs to be run it has nothing to do against you.

every body knew you worked hard but your schedual made it diffucult for yourself to make the deadlines

If you diddint make the deadlines at your job what would happen

Same deal here.

What ever the admins do for COS is done for the right of COS and i respect that

And i did enjoy having you here Aol

You worked hard.

but you had troubles making the deadlines
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just plain simply, no it was not a good idea for you to want to be removed from the clan :(
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i add again.. always the option to RETURN. start anew..
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I wish you guys could truly understand the deeper meaning to all of this but it's not my place to talk about it.

Normally, Id go back through all the quotes and defend us, but guys to us it's not about the EC position anymore. It never really was.. Yes we were both inactive, and yes we had our reasons for it.. I think we could both admit that.

The argument is about how things were carried out and how MEMBERS new about it before we even did. The last thing I exspected was to log on the forums and see demotions out the ass even though no one was supposed to be demoted.

and despite Icie's claims of giving me warnings, Well; There really wasn't at all.
When ever I was pmed from mucy relating to events I did the best I could, I wasn't trying to shirk my responsibilities..

Icie pmed me twice, once asking me to respond to the EC topics.
and once asking "who's leading each event" so I added to the schedule "Post or pm to lead" how could I possibly find someone to lead every event when no ones ever even on anymore. As for the Ec topics, you know when you listen to a conversation and you feel you can't really contribute anything that hasn't already been said, or maybe you'd like to hear more before you give a big response.. well whatever thats done with.

[23:34] <`Jamez> i think that these discussions are being left to just the council which is a problem
[23:35] <`Jamez> it should be a little more open
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[23:35] <Icie|2k9> Which is exactly why I am getting these decisions out in the open
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[23:35] <Icie|2k9> In the announcement section

LOLED; Really?! when did they make decisions a synonym of disscussion

whatever, it's all over now.
I'm happy with the choices I made, and I'm stating anew, without CoS.
All I ask is that you guys be understanding that we aren't fighting for our positions back.
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i think, what seth was refering to was that people like butleg guessed it. as stated before, i didnt know of the decision as well. if temp and i didnt know of it and we are staff people, i seriously cannot imagine how normal members could have known of the decisions.

but i think we all need to cool off a bit. this has shakened up COS quite a fair bit and i do have a bad feeling that a minor faction is splitting from COS. another dark age perhaps..
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