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Are we dead yet?
Topic Started: Oct 28 2008, 09:29 PM (1,044 Views)
Icie Juicy
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Colin
Oct 28 2008, 06:29 PM
"Members come and go but their hearts remain. There bodies crumble away to dust and scatter into the wind. There souls slowly decay; but there hearts still remain. The heart is the driving force in the clan that is needed to sustain it. The Leaders are the brains of it. The warlords are the strength of it. The council is the air that fills the lungs. and the members are the heart of the clan"

Ahh. Hello again CoS.

This post is not meant to flame anyone in anyways, but of course it's going to cause some drama because I feel it is right to post this thread. Here goes nothing.

I'll start off with something I asked Zingy, during the summer. I don't know if he remembers but, Zingy I said to you, "Zingy, you know your the only active admin right? How long will we last with only you active, I think we'll die in late fall." You agreed.

Yes staff this post is directly posted at you.

I recently asked some people about your activity as staff, and I'm going to tell you straight forward. It sucks. This is not just a recent thing, it's been happening before summer.

Look at our member list. Do you even know who the hell is in our clan? Seriously. Vexx, Riff, and Rodney have quit the clan. Not to mention some people you never see around anymore? Doomedfire, Jamez, Misto, and Arudd. This may be a small deal, but the little things are added up.

Kamman911, he's never in IRC, he never comes to events, and better yet he never posts on our forums. Seriously this is getting out of control. Sean, I love you bro, but I just can't take this anymore. I'm singling you out because you are by far most inactive staff member we currently have.

Admins- (Skit, Beaver, Zingy) Where the hell are you guys?
~Zingy, I know you can't get on IRC anymore, for reasons that are understandable. Without getting IRC you are missing out on the clan bro, I haven't seen you at an event in ages. Things are just piling up on you bro, and it's hitting the clan in more way than one.
~Beaver, I am appalled at the amount of effort you claim to still put into CoS. Yeah dude you the longest advisor Icie has had man, but c'mon dude you were talking in IRC yesterday about how you should get leader, did you not notice the way every just started getting on you about your combat level and your activity? This is getting bloody ridiculous.
~Skit, j you know I love you bro. The only time we see you is if we have a war, and most of the time you just happen to pop in when we are having a war so you just hop on. You rarely post on the forums anymore, and most of the time you are on it's just for a war really. For the past couple of weekends, you hopped on for the war and then you leave.

You admins are placing a heavy load on the ranks below you.

Icie, you are inactive. Straight up. It's killing the clan man. Icie I mean seriously man, you are never here, never. Like seriously jesus christ. You claim to do a lot of behind the scenes work man, but honestly it never shows. Most of the time dude you just come on for a war, and then you leave. I rarely see you log onto RuneScape anymore. It's really killing the clan.

Overall our activity sucks, at this rate we're going to die off. I don't want that, most people love this clan, our brotherhood, what we have built. I don't want it to go away.

Colin.

I don't know where to start on this post so I'll please forgive me if this doesn't seem to flow very well and is choppy since there are a lot of fingers being pointed and I feel it is very important to address each one and what COS Staff has been doing to fix these problems.



First off, I am very dissapointed in the manor that this topic was brought up. I appreciate the concern, VERY MUCH, but there are right ways to go about this, and attempting to get a knee jerk reaction out of members with a post like this is upsetting.

Second, I will let all of the staff members speak for themselves as to what they do and their current situations. While you claim that staff are all inactive or essentially do a horrible job and we are the reason for why COS is apparently going to die, I would like to go over a few things.


Mods, Zep and theboy are utterly amazing. COS has never had a better set of mods, thus why we felt no need to promote a third. I couldn't speak more highly about how they do a seemless job, with the forum and IRC.

EC, Mucy is simply amazing. This is one of hte biggest parts of a clan and I have never in past COS history seen such consistent activity at everyday events. Granted summer is over and the activity will obviously drop slightly. Mucy is on top of everything, calendar, events, logs and competions.

Our warlord is solid, while there have been some recent issues. I feel there is no one better for the position. Solid.

Clan Promoter is a position that is under some scrutiny by staff members. While Temp is doing amazing job with graphics and posting on sites. However we are trying to contact Kamman and discuss his RL issues and a possible solution.


Colin, since you seem to be very concerned with what it is I do as a Leader and feel it your responsibility to call me out on it, I will go into what I do on a daily basis behind the scenes. I have no problem with you calling me on this, since it's important to make sure good activity levels are going on. Just do it in the right manor next time. Anyways.

Daily List (or as needed):

- Bump all recruitment threads (since it is usually not done by anyone else, sometimes Zingy).
- Review, contact, verify and promote all applications on the list
- Add those members to Recruit ML
- Review most forum topics and post when needed
- Read/post in the staff forums
- Read/respond to PMs
- Update clocks for events
- Update clocks for wars
- Contact clans regarding war offers
- And other tasks that come up...


Projects I have been working on or have done "behind the scenes":

- Gathered up skins/created poll for Adv Members (advanced members forum)
- Set up monthly staff projects, including Collages for events and wars for recruitment (staff forum)
- EC Trials (working with Mucy)
- COS Draft War (working with Zingy)
- Compiling clan stats (posted in announcements)
- Created "Suspended Member" system for recruits who have failed their 30 days (only accessed by Advisors and Leaders)
- Re-setting up War Training program and events (working with Mucy)


So while it's easy for you to point fingers and say that I am never here, but to be honest and blunt, you have no idea what I do. And this isn't your fault, but it's because you don't have access to things like my PM's, Advanced Member forum, Staff Forum, my other accounts on forums.

You must have it set in your mind that if I'm not in IRC (actively) when you are, then I'm not doing anything. When first off, very little "work" actually takes place in the IRC, it is more of a hang out when people are playing RS. Which I love for that about this clan. However I am generally working around the time when kids who have school are on (generally working between 2 pm pst - 10 pm pst). I will admit, the one thing that I could improve on is my IRC time with members.

As for my in game activity, this again goes back to the IRC issue. Just because you don't see me in game doesn't mean I don't play. Yes, I don't level as much as Sheng and Ads or other people who pour their time into leveling, but I do get on often late at night and early in the morning and go to more events and wars than you and the majority of other members, while I work with my tough life schedule. To also point out what Skit said, I am often busy on my days off and even more so on my work days, yet I make time and moves things around so that I can come to wars. I have got on to RS at work (which is against policy and I could be fired over) to be at a war! Just this past Sunday, I had family from over a thousand miles away come into town for my mother's b-day and I blew them off and stayed at my place on Sunday for about three hours so I could be at the war.




Now I don't mean to come off bitter about this topic. Because I do respect people who are willing to stand up for what they believe in, ESPECIALLY WHEN THEY WANT COS TO BECOME BETTER THROUGH IT. So Colin, in a way I applaud you for this. But I don't want to hear someone ever say that what I am doing is "really killing the clan". If only you realized what I have done for this clan and what I am continuing to do.

COS is always progressing and we are always working and trying to find new things and systems and setups and staff members that work. While I have had a lot of staff members in COS, I can honestly say that the crew that we have now, is worlds above what we have had at anytime in COS. You should all be very thankful of what everyone here does to keep this clan rolling, members included.


Also, I have heard that there were some words exchanged in IRC about this. I would like to keep any and all flaming out of this topic as well as the IRC. Be respectful of everyone else's views, since I know that everyone here is wanting to make COS better, although we may have different views on how that should be done. I just ask for respect and loyalty when it comes to this topic and the clan in general.

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Dark Blad368
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Lol the clan died cause i left. Nah jks. read below:

If you have not forgotten, Icie has a JOB. Fuck sakes, give him a break, the poor dude has the work full time. Its not his fault, he has done what he needed to do and that was make a great clan.

Beaverboy40, has a life too. Work and school, what can he do besides what his doing now?

Skit only plays runescape from time to time. I dont blame him

Yeah we know Zingy cnat go on IRC, and its not his fault. REALLY

The Mods are doing great, GJ tbh.

Mucy is the best

Anthony is doing great too

Ads and temp are doing good

Colin, what you need to think is:

1. Why arent they active?

2. Shouldn't i talk to Icie or someone about this FIRST before posting and making myself look stupid?

3. Sorry were not as active as you.

Most of the staff members have a life they need to control. not saying anyone doesn't its just they are going through adulthood. Give them a break and talk to them about it, i know Icie cant do much, he has to work.

and the ML list, Icie cant do it all, i know, ive helped him in the past. EVeryone should help each other out and not complain.

AND BTW ICIE. DARK AND ARUDD WERE ONE OF THE BEST MODS TOOO >.< bully
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Ok Icie, I never staid you have done a bad job, this topic is about inactiveness? How many people see your behind the scenes work. 11/32 CoS members. That's the staff? What do you expect us to think.
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Icie's right. He does do a lot of shit we don't know about. I didn't realize how much extra he did until I became Staff myself two years ago. It's all the little things you never really see, but without them it would be so obvious everyone would notice.

However, I will agree with Colin that I rarely see Icie.

Icie, to be honest, when you're on IRC you should try to comment as much as you can without interfering on your work. You being in the channel -albeit not as often as you used to- does have a good effect, but if people see you talk just a bit more I'd bet that this sense of "dying" would go away. You're the only Leader, and although you're active, Members don't often see it. But, you shouldn't have to post what you do to show the clan you're active. You do all the tedious jobs that no one wants to do but without them this clan would surely die.

Football's almost over; I'll talk to you in a few weeks to see if I can help out in any way.



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Im not a clan member but i just feel a clan is more about having fun than winning wars or whatever.
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Icie got it all in one ;).

The only thing I think is we need another Op in IRC as there is barely ever one, Maybe give someone else Admin CP to validate and add to the memberlist?

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Oct 29 2008, 07:09 AM
The only thing I think is we need another Op in IRC as there is barely ever one, Maybe give someone else Admin CP to validate and add to the memberlist?

Wouldn't mind possibly giving somebody an OP, but the big question is who...

As for the Admin CP.... I think we have the validating members/RuneHeading under control. I myself can't really validate members because I can't add them to the RuneHead (been banned from that too). But I know Icie checks them on a nightly basis.
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Both Colin and Icie got some good points.
But this is actually a rs clan so I think it's intended to be active on rs....
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Tbh, I dunno if the clan is dieing or not, but I find the clan has lost some of its "brotherhood"ness. For the last 5 months, I find its not fun like the old days, now its all about warring and banning people for every reason they can find (or dont find -.-).
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Hmm. I do find the overemphasis on warring a tad... noticeable. I recall CoS "not being a warring clan". Since I haven't been in IRC, I can't really speak on the banning issue. And yeah, I think an OP really needs to be added. Perhaps Zep and Mucy would be good candidates... *cough*
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I've messed with ACP before, and I know how to manage IRC. If you need someone temporarily I'll be willing to help <_<



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I've made a post similar to this in the staffroom about a month ago. It just got ignored and moved to the archives. the just said "we're not gonna die".

For anyone that thinks this is a warning or telling someone to leave, this is just a warning about how inactive we are. We need to kick-up or activity a little. Stop being lazy and get to events.

This is more of criticism out of concern.

Glad you brought this up Colin.



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Oct 28 2008, 06:29 PM
Look at our member list. Do you even know who the hell is in our clan? Seriously. Vexx, Riff, and Rodney have quit the clan. Not to mention some people you never see around anymore? Doomedfire, Jamez, Misto, and Arudd. This may be a small deal, but the little things are added up.

yeh i am mentioned and even though it is not a positive mention it makes me feel warm inside :) . Not even going to defend myself about whats happened to me. I rose to the advanced member status and planned to apply for the mod status or a better rank and from there i fell apart. When i joined CoS i was posting 30 a day at least and became great friends with Meetme and Golden. Once they stopped playing i felt kinda alone in the clan no one i really knew and to top that i had to send in extremely long inactivity notices for marching band and now college application stuff and missed many events for work and other things.
I do deserve blame for being so MIA and because of it my combat and status has suffered look at me dead bottom of the runehead list at 93 combat and just a plain member now. Probably the most hated member by most of the clan for my childish posts and obnoxious attitude. Almost got permanently removed from clan because the leaving/away section was mysteriously cleared before Icie had to chance to see my post. Than argued with Irc people and was banned from the channel for however long. Got out to Icie with personal messages just to save my membership.
I do feel like i personally failed the clan and we all contribute to the slow decomposition of it in our own way. I blame no one for what is happening and i feel our leaders and position holders are fighting to keep us awake and are doing a spanking good job at it because we are CoS and we grow not shrink. I even got my brother to join to keep the members coming in. My inactivity ends November 11 officially but 15-22 i will be doing sound and lighting for a school play. I feel like a dead weight on our average lvls in runehead so if it brings us up i am willingly volunteering to be placed on the CoS recruits clan list.


EDIT: saw Icie in game on Sauron919 :D doing Halloween stuff for Matt
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"Once a CoS, always a CoS" Icie Juicy
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I would first like to say thank you to Colin for bringing up an issue that you feel is important and vital to the clan, even if you did not choose the very best method of doing so.

Next, even though the staff in general have been apologised for several times, I would like to personally say that I am sorry. I have not been as active recently as a top-ranking member of the clan ought to be. I was away for a good chunk of the summer, and now that school is back in I have a fairly large courseload, including 2 AP classes. On top of that, I am on the debate team at my school, which takes up one day of my week and one weekend a month on average, and have started voulenteering my time twice a week at an after-school program hosted by my church. I say this not to make you feel bad for me or as an excuse, but simply so you might understand why I sometimes find it hard to find time to hang around in IRC or churn out the levels ingame.

I do think, however, that it unfair to call me "inactive." Yes, i'm not on IRC as much as some people, and I dont spend every evening at the COS events. As Icie said earlier, all the staff (especially the Admins and Leader) do a good deal of work behind the scenes. Generally, there is not an announcement every time a member is validated, every time the event clocks are updated, or every time a member issue is dealt with.

I would also like to finally point out something that has been already noted. Our Mod staff does an exceptional job keeping the forums and IRC in line, and Mucy is wonderful in running the events and contests. Thank you guys, without your help Icie, Zingy, Skit and I would have far less time to devote to the longer-term projects and behind the scenes work that we do.
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i was the number 1 MOD RAWRRR.

and my opinion. I dont think the clan is dieing. its just that summer is long over and people are in school again. It happens every year. People adjust and the clan will change slightly.

Although I cant get on IRC, i check the forums everyday and try to post.

The only thing that I can see that needs to improve is the forum activity. We need more posts and topics to post too. Also new sections would not hurt at all.

New sections increase topics, thus increase posting, thus increases overall activity.
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