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Are we dead yet?
Topic Started: Oct 28 2008, 09:29 PM (1,043 Views)
Colin
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"Members come and go but their hearts remain. There bodies crumble away to dust and scatter into the wind. There souls slowly decay; but there hearts still remain. The heart is the driving force in the clan that is needed to sustain it. The Leaders are the brains of it. The warlords are the strength of it. The council is the air that fills the lungs. and the members are the heart of the clan"

Ahh. Hello again CoS.

This post is not meant to flame anyone in anyways, but of course it's going to cause some drama because I feel it is right to post this thread. Here goes nothing.

I'll start off with something I asked Zingy, during the summer. I don't know if he remembers but, Zingy I said to you, "Zingy, you know your the only active admin right? How long will we last with only you active, I think we'll die in late fall." You agreed.

Yes staff this post is directly posted at you.

I recently asked some people about your activity as staff, and I'm going to tell you straight forward. It sucks. This is not just a recent thing, it's been happening before summer.

Look at our member list. Do you even know who the hell is in our clan? Seriously. Vexx, Riff, and Rodney have quit the clan. Not to mention some people you never see around anymore? Doomedfire, Jamez, Misto, and Arudd. This may be a small deal, but the little things are added up.

Kamman911, he's never in IRC, he never comes to events, and better yet he never posts on our forums. Seriously this is getting out of control. Sean, I love you bro, but I just can't take this anymore. I'm singling you out because you are by far most inactive staff member we currently have.

Admins- (Skit, Beaver, Zingy) Where the hell are you guys?
~Zingy, I know you can't get on IRC anymore, for reasons that are understandable. Without getting IRC you are missing out on the clan bro, I haven't seen you at an event in ages. Things are just piling up on you bro, and it's hitting the clan in more way than one.
~Beaver, I am appalled at the amount of effort you claim to still put into CoS. Yeah dude you the longest advisor Icie has had man, but c'mon dude you were talking in IRC yesterday about how you should get leader, did you not notice the way every just started getting on you about your combat level and your activity? This is getting bloody ridiculous.
~Skit, j you know I love you bro. The only time we see you is if we have a war, and most of the time you just happen to pop in when we are having a war so you just hop on. You rarely post on the forums anymore, and most of the time you are on it's just for a war really. For the past couple of weekends, you hopped on for the war and then you leave.

You admins are placing a heavy load on the ranks below you.

Icie, you are inactive. Straight up. It's killing the clan man. Icie I mean seriously man, you are never here, never. Like seriously jesus christ. You claim to do a lot of behind the scenes work man, but honestly it never shows. Most of the time dude you just come on for a war, and then you leave. I rarely see you log onto RuneScape anymore. It's really killing the clan.

Overall our activity sucks, at this rate we're going to die off. I don't want that, most people love this clan, our brotherhood, what we have built. I don't want it to go away.

Colin.

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Fire_Power81
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Time to shuffle up that Advisor board. Perhaps Zep would make a good choice, seeing how he's always on IRC...
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Templer104
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clan- A group of people organized together with a main goal or purpose.

The staff positions are shit, members spots are shit.

To be perfectly honest man alls you need to have a clan is a group of people that have a good tie with each other.

No matter how good or terribly the admin/staff is doing as long as we have each other.

The clan could die tommorow but i know for a fact there will be people on #COSclan and still people posting on the forums.

I made a bunch of friends here and never intend to leave.
If CoS dies i will idle in that channel....

The Staff though we do our jobs, that doesnt mean members cant pitch in.

If mucy is off and no other EC is on have a member do it, a member can post recruitment threads we are all the same,

playing the same game for the same thrill as everyone else and we all joined this one clan,

This clan Council Of Saradomin.

Because we promise brotherhood,community and companionship and to be honest if we have 4 members and those 3 rules are still followed i will be happy to know i am and will always be a member of that tradition


I sent this ti Icie several days ago
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Also CoS 2008 goal appoint new leader goal by Feb.

Admin+ activity as of 10/26/08
Leader:Forums-IRC-InGame

Skit- Inactive/Inactive/Somewhat Active, admits he doesnt play anymore unless its war or event.

Beaver- Active/Inactive/Inactive, takes care of forums and is active on IRC from time to time. Doesnt play on RS as much and barely makes 3 event a month req.

Zingy- Active/Inactive/Active, Zingy is taking care of alot of aspects of the forums and is doing a very good job at it, except his mom will not let him use IRC, we often talk ingame and seems to go to plenty of events.

Yourself- (sorry) Active/Inactive/Somewhat Inactive, You are very good leader dont get me wrong, you have made many good decisions for the better of the clan. You are very active on our forums making some funny comments. Though when it comes to IRC most of our recruits just know you as "Icie|Out." I see you at events often and respect you take the time out of your life for our clan.

Mistofminn-Resigned.


With all of this said I believe that we should have a co-leader or another Admin that is active in all the criteria.

I sorta feel the the admins+ act as if they were only there to answer the "minor staff" questions. "should we do this, should we do that."

I think that a new co-leader/admin should be enstated,  and he/she must take away these "should" statements and start to take action.

I no way whatsoever am I saying you should resign, just enstate someone to help things along. The clan has been going threw some hard times now and it would be greatly appriciated if a change in direction were to come in the form of a new leadership figure.

This is the first clan I ever joined and hope it stays around for a long time to come.

Thank You,

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h2kkeister20
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I'll be completely honest, our activity does suck. At this point in time, I don't see things getting better, until rl issues get resolved. Most of the admin have work, or school, which is understandable for a reason that they aren't on, but it sometimes gets to be a bit to much. At least i think so. I would like to see more activity, but we all have our reasons for being inactive at times.
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MAGOMMSD
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Colin u the last person to critizise the staff, you know how been a staff is and if i remember u quit, for u is easy to just quit and rejoin thats what u do best, if u have a problem whit the staff u can talk to us in staff room but why do this in front of all the clan, and u say u have respect , COS IS NOT DEAD OK plp have lives here and rl is 1rst but that dont mean the clan is not important, honestly u just put a dager in COS heart whit this, there r sum things plp talk in private, or what want us to tell the members about colin? if i remember u make a big deal whit a topic sum weeks ago how u feel when u think that was about u, now think how the icie and the guys here feel bc of u, if i was u i not even have the face to see them and talk to them again. u desapoind me colin really i was thinking u were beter then this.
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Fire_Power81
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Feh, while Mucy does have a point about Colin and his.. non-linear experiences with CoS, I don't see why he shouldn't post this. In essence, this post is a comment on the current activity of CoS and discussion on how to improve it.
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Templer104
Oct 28 2008, 06:39 PM
clan- A group of people organized together with a main goal or purpose.

The staff positions are shit, members spots are shit.

To be perfectly honest man alls you need to have a clan is a group of people that have a good tie with each other.

No matter how good or terribly the admin/staff is doing as long as we have each other.

The clan could die tommorow but i know for a fact there will be people on #COSclan and still people posting on the forums.

I made a bunch of friends here and never intend to leave.
If CoS dies i will idle in that channel....

The Staff though we do our jobs, that doesnt mean members cant pitch in.

If mucy is off and no other EC is on have a member do it, a member can post recruitment threads we are all the same,

playing the same game for the same thrill as everyone else and we all joined this one clan,

This clan Council Of Saradomin.

Because we promise brotherhood,community and companionship and to be honest if we have 4 members and those 3 rules are still followed i will be happy to know i am and will always be a member of that tradition

Temp, altho all you say is true- a clan still requires a direction, it needs leaders and it needs higher staff to maintain its youth and set direction.

For a limited period of time yeh other members can pitch in etc... but for a clan to seriously thrive all need to apply themselves. At the moment the overriding feeling you get from cos is that you guys are just resting on your lorrels. It seems atleast that things are slipping.

Negative comments are never well received so I shall mix in some positives too:

~Great community
~Mostly lovely people
~Brilliant warring ability
~active staff mod-

Altho, we may criticise the staff you as members also need to give 100% to keep things going so just bear that in mind. ONE MORE THING!!! Colin's personal track record should not be considered in judging this topic, what he says has many elements of truth in it. So I hope someone listens.
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h2kkeister20
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I couldn't agree more with you Joe. Well said.
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Oct 28 2008, 09:44 PM
Colin u the last person to critizise the staff, you know how been a staff is and if i remember u quit, for u is easy to just quit and rejoin thats what u do best, if u have a problem whit the staff u can talk to us in staff room but why do this in front of all the clan, and u say u have respect , COS IS NOT DEAD OK  plp have lives here and rl is 1rst but that dont mean the clan is not important, honestly u just  put a dager in COS heart whit this, there r sum things plp talk in private, or what want us to tell the members about colin? if i remember u make a big deal whit a topic sum weeks ago how u feel when u think that was about u, now think how the icie and the guys here feel bc of u, if i was u i not even have the face to see them and talk  to them again. u desapoind me colin really i was thinking u were beter then this.

Yes I realize I quit.

anyways

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This post is not meant to flame anyone in anyways, but of course it's going to cause some drama because I feel it is right to post this thread. Here goes nothing.


I'm standing up for what I believe in, I posted this because I felt it was right.

I love Beaver, Zingy, Skit, and Icie to death and at the end of the day. I love them, their my friends.
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I wasnt aware I was soo...Inactive.

Ill admit, Im not the number one staff member, and I do slack. But Inactive? I check forums nearly everyday for important topics, I post in the staff forums more than anything...I recently got 1k posts, thats huge for me, thx. Anyway, I do play rs sometimes, its just fucking boring, Im sorry, ban me from cos because i dont like rs.

As for the wars and me leaving right after. Ever given thought to that C? I take time out of what Im doing to come war for COS, which means as soon as Ive done that, I need to get back to my life. Im sorry I dont sit around and touch you after the war, but I have things to do.

Our activity is low, and well, could use some work. Its not the first time, wont be the last, whats the big deal? You blow things out of proportion.

I apologize to the members on behalf of the staff, or if not, just for my behalf, but anyways....Yeah. Im sorry we arent here more, but its not that we consciously decide to not be here, we just have things going on. A lot of our staff, and well, our beloved leader simply grew up. We are a bit older, we have more responsibilities, and less time to invest in things like runescape. Ill do my best to pick up the slack, and pull my weight. Sorry Cos.

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Just thinking about it now...If Im so shitty. Ill quit. Really. Say the word C, and ill bounce. That goes for anyone. If you think Im so inactive and not a help at all, say the word, Ill go.
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Ok.

I didn't post anything about the Moderator's down except Sean, because their active.
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I'm not gonna lie, I'm glad you brought this up Colin. I hope this serves as a wake up call to everybody that our expectations can only be as high as the effort we put in. The overall effort from the clan is definately down. It's impossible to match what we achieved in the early summer months. Those were the times of peak acitivity, even despite the inactivity from the higher ranks. Now that school has begun, the inactivity just keeps spreading. Myself, Ads, and other lower staff members just aren't as active as before. But the key to keeping this clan alive is doing everything in your power to help out.

Since my mom banned me from using IRC, my passion towards the clan has went down. It's just not the same exciting atmosphere anymore. I don't talk to many members much anymore, few of the newer members even know me (which I am regretful of). My parents are completely trying to rid me of RS. Imposing more and more restrictions keeps my hours limited, but I try to make the most of them.

Now I hope each and every one of you view this thread for what it truly is. It is not for complaints, or a threat, but a call to action. This thread should serve as motivation to every member to put their best effort in every day. There's tons of little things all of us can do to keep this clan alive. Schedule your RS time for when events are taking place. Post a thread if you find something really cool on the Internet. Even PMing staff members with ideas of what they could do. Everything helps.

And while we're on this subject, I'll do my own little part to help out the clan. Following Rune HQ's Halloween Event I will be resigning from their Events Team. I feel that my presence is more needed here, and you all deserve better output from me.

Despite, these somewhat harsh times, it's important to remember that a clan can only die when it is given up on. If we continue to hold strong and keep our heads held high, we will return to prosperity. It will definately take some time, and we will go through many ups and downs, but our will shall determine this clans fate.

Thank you Colin ;)
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Oct 28 2008, 07:05 PM
Just thinking about it now...If Im so shitty. Ill quit. Really. Say the word C, and ill bounce. That goes for anyone. If you think Im so inactive and not a help at all, say the word, Ill go.

Mm. I certainly do not believe that the intent of the topic was to get you, or any of the other staff members, to leave. It's simply pointing out how some of the leaders don't really play the game as much anymore.

While I do respect that everyone has grown up and has a lot more responsibilities in real life (which is why I myself became inactive and removed from the clan in the first place), I do think that the staff should at least try to make an effort to play for a decent chunk of time for a day of the week. Sorry if I, or anyone else on the thread are sounding rather condescending, but we're just trying to get our point across about the clan being more inactive.

Regarding Zingy's post, I'll have to say that it's rather nice of him to admit his downfalls, while making suggestions on making the clan better at the same time. IRC is definitely one of the key pieces of the clan, and it's just hard to lead when you can't be where the clan is. His suggestions for helping the clan succeed are also good ideas; some which would definitely help our clan activity.

Just like everyone else, I don't want to see this clan fade away into oblivion. However, we all need to do our part to help the clan succeed. On my own side of things, I'm working on getting membership again so I might become active once more. The brightest dawn lies after the darkest night.
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I can see why there is some concern here. Look at it this way. All the staff members hold a higher status that displays their devotion towards the clan, but if they weren't able to remain active for various reasons, why would any members of this clan want to stay active? My answer is, "they wouldn't want to remain active." We've had a number of people claiming that our inactiveness is because of school, and a number of people blaming it on poor leadership skills. Which is to blame? Neither, because there's no way to easily resolve this issue.

A response to the staff members called out. Respectfully, if you feel that you won't be able to adequately perform your expected duties, then I would suggest resigning from your staff position. This is not an attack. I'm in no way fit for a staff position, although I know some members who are eager to fulfill all the expectations.

In time, these issues will be taken care of.
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