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Beatles Uk Export; Export issues
Topic Started: Aug 6 2017, 01:26 PM (553 Views)
muffmasterh
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servi,Aug 11 2017
07:18 AM
Yes, probably many many more standard copies were exported than true "export versions" (a good term). But some collectors see it the other way: if it does not have PPCS it can not have been exported....

What is the evidence that CPPS pressings (USA configurations and HJ) were actually exported ? For the PPCS copies it is evident as most turn up in Portugal, some with local record shop stickers, but for the CPCS I have always wondered. I know it's consensus that these were export-only copies but any convincing information seems to be lacking imo. It's simply "because everyone says so and all the books say so".... Probably the information is correct, but the CPCS number was used in other countries for domestic releases.

maybe not export only servi but primarily for export, with the exception of the very popular Hey Jude the others mostly only turn up for sale from outside the UK.

To summarise i am happy with the following :-

C = Capitol CPCS primarily export pressings

p = Parlophone/ODEON P-PCS export ONLY ( for certain specific territories )

and don't forget EMI pressed things like the Regal SREG label which were also primarily for export and contained mostly stereo compilations or versions of UK albums from various acts. Animals. Cliff, Hollies etc etc. Malta got a lot of these.

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Can I just add one possible point regarding some of these exports, i have both types of if I fell export, I did read somewhere that the siuk type was pressed for the uk market as parlophone could see that people wanted this single , is it possible the same applies to something new and beatles vi which both carried siuk?
Also I know the question regarding the small 33 above the parlophone was answered but I can't see why parlophone would press two types for these exports labels , large and small 33,
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Fab4life1973,Aug 11 2017
04:51 PM
Can I just add one possible point regarding some of these exports, i have both types of if I fell export, I did read somewhere that the siuk type was pressed for the uk market as parlophone could see that people wanted this single , is it possible the same applies to something new and beatles vi which both carried siuk?

Yes, sounds logic imo. Much more logic than the UK pressing these solely for export. In fact, is there any proof that these were actually exported ? And if so, to which country ? And why wouldn't that country import from the USA ? If it was a "Parlophone" country why would it demand USA albums ? Were these sold in military shops as was the case with German "USA" LPs ? If so, where ?

Domestic demand seems more likely (but this remains guessing). But that would also explain 1) why they remained in press on different label styles, 2) the SIUK text and 3) the KT tax code (but that is all indirect evidence)....
Also everyone knows these as "export versions" so even if 99% of those was sold within the UK, they would still be called export LPs...
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Jae,Aug 11 2017
08:24 AM
Should we now have terms for domestic pressings that 'emigrated' with their owners? Or those 'liberated' by other countries? What about those exported through the international EMI ordering system, for example ordered independently by music stores abroad? What is the 'exception' term for those?


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muffmasterh
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servi,Aug 11 2017
06:22 PM
Fab4life1973,Aug 11 2017
04:51 PM
Can I just add one possible point regarding some of these exports, i have both types of if I fell export, I did read somewhere that the siuk type was pressed for the uk market as parlophone could see that people wanted this single , is it possible the same applies to something new and beatles vi which both carried siuk?

Yes, sounds logic imo. Much more logic than the UK pressing these solely for export. In fact, is there any proof that these were actually exported ? And if so, to which country ? And why wouldn't that country import from the USA ? If it was a "Parlophone" country why would it demand USA albums ? Were these sold in military shops as was the case with German "USA" LPs ? If so, where ?

Domestic demand seems more likely (but this remains guessing). But that would also explain 1) why they remained in press on different label styles, 2) the SIUK text and 3) the KT tax code (but that is all indirect evidence)....
Also everyone knows these as "export versions" so even if 99% of those was sold within the UK, they would still be called export LPs...

but the fact is that most of these pressings turn up outside the UK, that has gotta tell u where most of them were destined for, ie not uk
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CPMC- and CPCS- normally indicated "foreign masters"
PPMC- and PPCS- normally indicated "domestic masters."

Since Hey Jude came from a domestic master but was based on an export album that had originated in America, I guess that qualified them for both. The others in the CPCS- series actually used the American sub-master.

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namralos,Aug 11 2017
07:51 PM
CPMC- and CPCS- normally indicated "foreign masters"
PPMC- and PPCS- normally indicated "domestic masters."

Since Hey Jude came from a domestic master but was based on an export album that had originated in America, I guess that qualified them for both. The others in the CPCS- series actually used the American sub-master.

but what do you think of my theory on P standing for Parlophone odeon Frank ?

as far as i know the P prefix only seems to apply to those on either Parlophone labelled Apple issues or on those exports on the odeon label. As i said earlier Parlophone/odeon were linked entities prior to full absorption within EMI in 1965.

and do you think the same applies to the SCXC series - foreign masters ?
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servi,Aug 11 2017
06:58 PM
There is a Hollies LP from New Zealand that has a CPCS number, without a UK counterpart as far as I know (https://www.discogs.com/Hollies-Their-Twenty-Greatest-Hits/master/976774). It shows that CPCS may have been used in other countries. It's a greatest hits LP, so again a C(ompilation) ? I don't understand why CPCS in the UK is considered to be synonymous to "export", in particular for HJ. But also for the others (USA titles) I 'd love to see some convincing information other than "everyone says so".

Interesting. That is completely a NZ conceived album - the names in the credits are ones you'll see often on EMI NZ releases during the seventies (given they were EMI NZ employees!).

Interestingly though, the VERY NEXT NZ cut album - Hollies Live - (YENX 10017/8) was just plain ol' PCS 6126. Same NZ domestic number series, same source, just sans "C-".

Clearly, "Their 20 Greatest Hits" was made for exclusive export to the UK under the Parlophone label because in the UK they were then on Polydor. <TIC> :D
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Jae,Aug 11 2017
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servi,Aug 11 2017
06:58 PM
There is a Hollies LP from New Zealand that has a CPCS number, without a UK counterpart as far as I know (https://www.discogs.com/Hollies-Their-Twenty-Greatest-Hits/master/976774). It shows that CPCS may have been used in other countries. It's a greatest hits LP, so again a C(ompilation) ? I don't understand why CPCS in the UK is considered to be synonymous to "export", in particular for HJ. But also for the others (USA titles) I 'd love to see some convincing information other than "everyone says so".

Interesting. That is completely a NZ conceived album - the names in the credits are ones you'll see often on EMI NZ releases during the seventies (given they were EMI NZ employees!).

Interestingly though, the VERY NEXT NZ cut album - Hollies Live - (YENX 10017/8) was just plain ol' PCS 6126. Same NZ domestic number series, same source, just sans "C-".

Clearly, "Their 20 Greatest Hits" was made for exclusive export to the UK under the Parlophone label because in the UK they were then on Polydor. <TIC> :D

well if they all turn up for sale from the UK then we'll have a pretty good idea Jae, ;) .

Interestingly most original HJ's are found outside the UK ( Dark Apple Revolutions error etc ) its only the light apple ones from 73 on that you find a lot in the UK, it could be that word of mouth made this album of interest to UK buyers after a few years and led to some stores then stocking up on it from EMI.
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