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Harrison All Things Must Pass Box Set Uk Issue?
Topic Started: Apr 10 2017, 03:41 AM (373 Views)
beeb
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I am trying to nail down this LP. It is a sealed copy so I only have the box to go by. The spine is Apple STCH 639. The box is approximately 13 MM deep. On the back cover, down one side, it has a piece of reinforcing tape approximately 1" wide that wraps around from the spine. It has a Uk price sticker of 5 pounds 30 pence.

The applerecords.nl site indicates early Uk issues came in a USA box. I think this is what I have but am looking for confirmation!

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Michael
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servi
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The only way to know for sure is to open it. Did EMI Hayes seal these US boxes after they added the UK records ?
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beeb
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Great question about EMI Hayes sealing the boxes. I have no idea. Were the stores still sealing records in 1970? I am hoping someone on the board has the answer.

Discogs states that early copies came in the thicker UK Box. However, the release date for the UK box edition and the imported USA box is listed as the same - November 1970.

Applerecords.nl states that early UK issues were issued in the thinner USA box.

To opposite viewpoints!

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Michael


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beeb,Apr 12 2017
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Great question about EMI Hayes sealing the boxes. I have no idea. Were the stores still sealing records in 1970? I am hoping someone on the board has the answer.

Discogs states that early copies came in the thicker UK Box. However, the release date for the UK box edition and the imported USA box is listed as the same - November 1970.

Applerecords.nl states that early UK issues were issued in the thinner USA box.

To opposite viewpoints!

Thanks

Michael

as usual discogs is probably wrong, the very earliest labels came with " recorded in england on them and this error was probably corrected before they were even fixed to the vinyl, i have only ever seen these labels in USA boxes and the very likely scenario was that the USA boxes were imported as the UK were not ready with production or it was just easier to import them for a time.

Shrink wrapping in the UK does exist from the late sixties but it was not common at all until much later in the 70's and even then not all got the wrap treatment so it is possible an early box got wrapped but i find it unlikely, but technically is was possible.

My guess is your box is from about 1980.
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beeb
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So, in the U.k. "All Things Must Pass" was being sold in USA made boxes in 1980?

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Michael
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beeb,Apr 12 2017
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So, in the U.k. "All Things Must Pass" was being sold in USA made boxes in 1980?

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Michael

my bad sorry i was assuming you thought it was a UK box but you actually think its a USA box ?

I am not sure what this box cost in the UK in early 1971 but if a white album was around 3 pounds so I don't think in 1971 it would be as much as GBP 5.30 but i could be wrong...
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This sitehttp://www.jpgr.co.uk lists the November 1970 release price as 4 Pounds 19 shillings and 6 pence. I said in my initial posting the price sticker was 5 pounds 30 pence. It is actually 5 pound 3 shillings on the sticker.

I guess there is no way to be sure except by opening it, but I won't be doing that.

My best guess is that it is an imported USA box housing UK pressings. It should be an early release as the use of USA boxes was quickly ended and was replaced with the much heavier and thicker UK box.

Thank you to everyone who has responded.

Michael
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AurelianDE
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Note that pounds, shillings and pence went decimal in Feb. 1971. I don't know if price stickers were changed on the spot, but certainly newer stickers would come with pounds + pence prices.
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I don't know if this help's or adds more confusion but..... I have two UK copies, the first and earliest is a wide UK made box that came with a cardboard spacer, and has orange slicks inside the box like our US issues. These disc's do not have the "Recorded in England" on labels so I know they are not first first pressings, at least not with the early labels (even though they have fairly low stamps). A later box from the UK has a spine that is the same width as the US issue, but with white interior slicks. Both state "Manufactured in UK" on inside box and on poster. These disc's are later UK pressings as they have later stamp markings. I know the white interior box is a later issue, but don't know from when.
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beeb
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Here is a photo of the price sticker. Perhaps someone who is more familiar with the UK's change over to a decimal currency can help date this L.P. Not living in the UK I can't interpret the value on the sticker to be in a pre decimal or post decimal currency.



I do know the initial release of the LP was November 1970 and the change over to a decimal currency happened in February 1971.

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Michael

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liverpool0561
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I'm from Liverpool England and remember the change over to decimal currency

The prices on the image are

Five pounds Six shillings and 0 old pence

And

Five pounds and 30 new pence

Conclusion: price sticker is from around the date the U.K went to decimal currency - February 1971 or slightly later

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Liverpool0561
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liverpool0561,Apr 13 2017
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I'm from Liverpool England and remember the change over to decimal currency

The prices on the image are

Five pounds Six shillings and 0 old pence

And

Five pounds and 30 new pence

Conclusion: price sticker is from around the date the U.K went to decimal currency - February 1971 or slightly later

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Liverpool0561

i cannot see the image of the price sticker but although thats a higher price than i would have expected for 1971 it certainly seems to be an early pressing, i'd certainly not unseal it though even to find out

for about a year prior to " D " day prices tags were indeed dual, in decimal and in lsd

oh and most UK boxes also had orange interior slicks, late 70's early 80's these become glossy and some are white but both the glossy orange and the white slicks are late, c 1980 onward.

the stiffeners can come in orange or white, so far i cannot say for sure if one predates he other, at the moment i would say both orange and white were in use initially at the same time.

as for the recorded in England text although clearly they are the earliest labels printed as i have said the change was likely pre pressing, so a non recorded in england label copy could still be very early.
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Just to say that I agree with Liverpool0561's conclusion. One old shilling converts to 5 new pence, and judging from the sticker alone you can be sure that this copy is not later than 1971. If jpgr is right, the price itself would indicate that your copy was not among the very first batches. It's very probable, however, that it was sealed later. Or could it be a US copy, box and all? That would explain the higher price. As I understand it, US records used to be sealed. All records I bought in the UK during the seventies were not sealed/shrink-wrapped.
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Why not open it ? What's the use of owning a record that you can't see, play, smell, hold, treasure ?
Especially because you don't know what's inside. I know some people collect sealed copies, but this could have been shrinkwrapped by "anyone" and could contain several completely different pressings. If you really want to keep it sealed, a possible method would to compare weight of the box. Possibly UK and US pressings are different with respect to that. Does the shrinkwrap have "breathing holes" ?
Also I don't think a price sticker is not a good method to date a record, if we are talking about one individual copy. What if this was an early, unsold copy that got a new price sticker when the decimal currency got into use ? It was not unusual that records remained unsold for years.
I would have opened this copy the second after I would have bought it 😃
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I came across a Uk All Things Must pass on green apple which really surprised me. It appears to be from the 80's but I always thought even the reissues had orange apple sin the UK.
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