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White Album Spine Width; different spine widths
Topic Started: Mar 30 2017, 08:38 AM (151 Views)
1970grave
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Following the successful thread on the 4th proof wide spine
What are the different spine widths for the White Album
From my records I can see that they vary from 5-8mm and one even goes up to 10mm
The 10mm I believe id the FLAT spine, which is a terminology that Henry uses that I like
The reason for asking is that I have; FOR SALE; a 'ReVOLUTION' (small e) MISPRINT to a first issue STEREO copy that has an 8mm spine compared to a 6mm spine of a 'RACOON' MISPRINT which is also FOR SALE.
what are the different spines for these issues and is the 8mm categorised as a WIDE spine
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yellowsubmariner
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Apologies for this unrelated post but I have been trying to get a hold of you via the messaging system here. Not a good idea to chat via Ebay as they seem to monitor everything!
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1970grave
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all sorted
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Following the successful threat on the 4th proof wide spine What are the different spine widths for the White Album From my records I can see that they vary from 5-8mm and one even goes up to 10mm The 10mm I believe id the FLAT spine, which is a terminology that Henry uses that I like The reason for asking is that I have; FOR SALE; a 'ReVOLUTION' (small e) MISPRINT to a first issue STEREO copy that has an 8mm spine compared to a 6mm spine of a 'RACOON' MISPRINT which is also FOR SALE. what are the different spines for these issues and is the 8mm categorised as a WIDE spine


I've been following these threads ref so-called wide spine SPLHCB's and now this comment.

Unfortunately, I've been too ill to rummage through my own collection and make a
comment.

However, as a general rule of thumb, I tend to agree with the Henry school of
definition on this subject. It's actually all about the way in which the sleeves were finished on the
jigs in the finishing department at Garrod and Lofthouse. A 'wide spine' is characterized by TWO
bends/folds above and below the white un-printed strip that runs along the length of the
spine thus creating an 8 to 10 millimeter flat spine width. Non wide spines have ONE fold
down the center of the white un-printed area down the middle of the spine.

I find this rule of thumb to be an adequate way of explaining the difference between the
two spine types. I also apply the same reasoning to WA's of which I also have several.

Anyway, just my pennies worth on the subject!

All the best.
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1970grave,Mar 30 2017
08:38 AM
Following the successful thread on the 4th proof wide spine
What are the different spine widths for the White Album
From my records I can see that they vary from 5-8mm and one even goes up to 10mm
The 10mm I believe id the FLAT spine, which is a terminology that Henry uses that I like
The reason for asking is that I have; FOR SALE; a 'ReVOLUTION' (small e) MISPRINT to a first issue STEREO copy that has an 8mm spine compared to a 6mm spine of a 'RACOON' MISPRINT which is also FOR SALE.
what are the different spines for these issues and is the 8mm categorised as a WIDE spine

yes this is a good carry over from the 4th proof thread

as i said on that WA spines are all over the place and seem totally random, you can't sadly for example say with any confidence that a say " RACOON " pressing should come in a say 8mm spine, not only that you can't always find two matching emi/no emi discs in a lot of them.

Its bad enough looking for a pattern for Peppers but for WA's forget it.

People do claim that 1cm or so WA spines are widespines but to me thats just a bogus claim based on nothing just to ramp up a bit of interest ( yes I'm guilty probably too lol ) the only true widespines are to me the " flat ones which are really hard to find.

However unlike Pepper the WA flatspines are totally random if you look at the different numbers involved, with Pepper its a lot easier, we know that, for pepper widespines, even allowing for swapping the low mother stampers that are found in them ( especially early stereo where it is easier to find low stampers as there were less stampers needed ) shows that the wides have to be early.

However we can't use that same logic to WA's as by them stereo stampers where prepped in as higher numbers as the mono and if you see in a thread i started the other week you can get 1G mono and stereo with later emi labels and high number sleeves so thats no help on WA's I'm afraid.

so if you trying to find a pattern for WA spines, imho forget it lol !!
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servi
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Completely agree Henry ! Below is a list of stamper numbers for wide spine mono Peppers that I used to follow very carefully on Ebay. Most stampers are low. Remember that the mono stampers were as high as around 500 (i.e. 3 letters for the stamper, starting with M) on the mono SIUK copies.
Some have high stamper number and I suspect a swop between sleeve and record there (to improve the value, some sellers may insert a better quality LP).
For stereo wide spine Peppers this is much harder to do, because these are MUCH rarer, factor 1:30 or so.

Side 1 mother/side 1 stamper/side 2 mother/side 2 stamper
3 AO 4 PP
3 AA 3_5 PO
2 R 1 G
2 A 2 H
1 H 1 T
1 L 1 A
1 L 1 A
1 GD 2 GG
2 GO 3 RA
1 AG 3_5 RA
2 AP 2 DG
2 OT 3 MP
2 GPD 2 LD
1 GPG 0 GPH
1 GMD 4 TP
1 ALH 10 MMO
3 R 1 G
1 M 2 DG
1 H 1 T
3 GG 1 L
3 RT 3_5 AG
2 MG 1 T
3 MT 4 AM
4 PM 3 LR
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servi,Mar 30 2017
08:02 PM
Completely agree Henry ! Below is a list of stamper numbers for wide spine mono Peppers that I used to follow very carefully on Ebay. Most stampers are low. Remember that the mono stampers were as high as around 500 (i.e. 3 letters for the stamper, starting with M) on the mono SIUK copies.
Some have high stamper number and I suspect a swop between sleeve and record there (to improve the value, some sellers may insert a better quality LP).
For stereo wide spine Peppers this is much harder to do, because these are MUCH rarer, factor 1:30 or so.

Side 1 mother/side 1 stamper/side 2 mother/side 2 stamper
3 AO 4 PP
3 AA 3_5 PO
2 R 1 G
2 A 2 H
1 H 1 T
1 L 1 A
1 L 1 A
1 GD 2 GG
2 GO 3 RA
1 AG 3_5 RA
2 AP 2 DG
2 OT 3 MP
2 GPD 2 LD
1 GPG 0 GPH
1 GMD 4 TP
1 ALH 10 MMO
3 R 1 G
1 M 2 DG
1 H 1 T
3 GG 1 L
3 RT 3_5 AG
2 MG 1 T
3 MT 4 AM
4 PM 3 LR

add my 1g 1a to that servi...
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servi
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What ? Add your 1g 1a to my collection ?? :lol:
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servi,Mar 30 2017
08:36 PM
What ? Add your 1g 1a to my collection ?? :lol:

:lol: :lol: :lol:
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