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Yellow Sub Songtrack -- Red
Topic Started: Aug 26 2016, 10:14 PM (629 Views)
namralos
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I hadn't seen this before. Have you? Yellow Sub songtrack red
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1970grave
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It was a one off press press by a guy at the pressing plant apparently
This also happened with the RED vinyl ABBEY ROAD
and the BLUE vinyl WHITE ALBUM (one disc only)
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namralos
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I know what it is; however, since 1999 I had not seen one. Has anyone else seen a custom pressing of the Songtrack?
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servi
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No. I wouldn't be surprises if an EMI employee pressed 3 copies of this plus an Abbey road to create instant "rarities" he could sell to Esprit. Never seen these with other sellers. The price is quite ridiculous for an LP from the 90s, but you never know what someone would pay for a thing like this.
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namralos
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Earlier one-off pressings sell quite high.
From the 1970's they are not so expensive.
I agree that a newer record should not sell for that much, but never underestimate the market. That could be someone's favorite LP, and he thinks he has every variation of it.
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IMO it's probably just a boot. I don't believe to "the story about EMI employee" simply because AFAIK at the pressing plant when switching from black vinyl to color one (as well when switching back), the process is not fast and easy, the whole system should be cleaned.

Of course I don't know for sure, but I don't think this one comes from EMI record plant.
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servi
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Apparently it has the correct matrix, so it is not a bootleg most probably. Also changing the colour during a pressing is quite simple. The vinyl is a ready to use hockey puck-shaped mass , available in many colours. It would simply be a matter of using a different colour than yellow. Other examples of employee custom pressings are known, e.g. from the USA, Canada, Italy etc.
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Jae
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Pcs7027 is correct re coloured vinyl setup. You need to replace the vinyl feeder bag. It would then take around 20 pressings before the black residue disappeared. These copies were discarded or, depending on how they came out (ie how attractive the resulting black/colour design was), taken by (senior) employees.

But I agree, no reason to doubt its authenticity.
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servi
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It depends on what vinyl supply was used. Some pressing machines use pre-shaped vinyl (shaped like a hockey puck that is added to the middle of the press), others may use vinyl grains.
In the first option it is quite easy to change the colour, simply add a red puck instead of a yellow one (or throw a red puck in the bag of yellow pucks). Maybe that is what happened by coincidence and the copy was removed during quality control by the employee. It is not proven that this was done on purpose, although the red Abbey Road makes you think that this is the case.
Also the standard colour used for YS songtrack in 1999 was yellow. Black vinyl pressings were later repressings, made in Holland if I am not mistaken (would have to check my copy).
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admiral halsey
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Whilst these sort of items are interesting(and no disrespect to any members here).......If these items are truly on-offs, then they are valueless/priceless depending on your viewpoint. For most collectors they are totally unattainable.

Like namralos, I hadn't seen this before.

The only on-offs, IMHO, worth worrying about are thing like the recently auctioned Cilla /Paul acetate and the Decca audition acetate. Whilst equally unattainable these, obviously, have historical importance.

Some jockey poncing around in an EMI cutting room trying to make an instant rarity does not warrant any importance. As we've seen, so many discs are booted anyway.

I think things like Gold stereos, early 60's solid centres(E.G.) are the things we should be hankering after.......because, as my budget thread has shown, these things are actually out there waiting to be found(not that I actually own a stereo gold :( ). AND these rare, but official, items are what the collecting should really be about!


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fkmiller
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i agree with the admiral.these are'nt collectible as much as say the solid CBML,to me anyway.it'd be great to have one that goes without saying but £6k collectable???would rather have henrys 000093 WA.to use an example.
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AurelianDE
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As far as I know, those 'Hockey-puuck-shaped' things are called a 'cake' and actually consist of vinyl grains. It's not that you can simply throw one cake of a different colour 'into the bag'. (Jae or anyone, please correct me if I got it wrong.)

There is a one-off (?) copy of the White Album in blue vinyl that is said to have come from the 1984 run of the German white DMM issue. It's on discogs and on the well-known Apple.nl site (probably one and the same copy, maybe entered by the same person). I suppose that is the copy 1970grave mentioned on Aug 27. I've never seen "it in the flesh" and wasn't sure if it was authentic. But then I found that the DMM white copy I recently obtained had a small light blue patch on one side, rather like a smear -- exactly what you get when a lone blue pellet is there together with all the white ones and ironed out in the press, with pressure from centre to rim. It's in the material, it doesn't make a sound. It's nice to believe, isn't it, that my copy was pressed more or less immediately after that tongue-in-cheek engineer hat cleand the press!

(Of course it's ridiculous to list that blue copy as one of the 'variants' of WA issues on the discogs site. It wasn't issued and it is not collectable in any true sense of the word.)
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1970grave
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An interesting read for those who'd like to know how records are made

http
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1970grave
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for those who would like to see the pics
http
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Jae
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Pretty much it, Aurelian (although I have only ever seen the output referred to as a puck). :)

The issue is in the extruder. You can throw red pellets into the feeder, but it's the black (or whatever other colour) residue in the extruder that needs to be worked through before you end up with a consistent red colour.

Think of a cake icer bag - you put in blue icing mix and extrude it onto the cake. You then throw in red icing mix and it will have a blue tinge until the blue icing residue has all worked through.

If you want splatter icing - no probs, put in icing mixes of whatever colours you want and watch the unique results. :)
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