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Liverpool Voted Remain; Tomorrow never knows
Topic Started: Jun 24 2016, 01:56 PM (1 View)
meyers
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Brexit it is. Liverpool said remain. All the best to all you Beatle people in the UK. As a German I don't question the outcome but envy the possibility to vote on decisions like that. Keep your head up high!
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The pound is sinking. Items from the UK will be cheaper for Europeans, but because UK will be outside the EU the import taxes in the future will be huge for anything over 25 euro. I predict a huge drop in UK export and sales of second hand items (e.g. from Ebay) to Europe.
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Mike
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It's a bloody disaster over here. I can't believe how blazé some people were with their vote and, now, a lot of people are coming forward to say that now they've seen the consequences, they want to remain.

All we can do over here in the UK is hope. I know there are petitions out there calling for a second referendum as the overall result was so tight and because so many people are regretting their decision. But it isn't going to happen. Referendums ain't cheap!

Young people also voted overwhelmingly to stay in. It was the 65+ demographic that, in the end, decided the future.
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I understand Mike ! This is going to have huge consequences.
My holiday next month in Berwick-upon-Tweed probably will be a little cheaper than expected, but I wished the people had chosen "Bremain".
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From across the Atlantic, this looks like a massive own goal.

It really seems like some of the people who voted leave did so as a lark, and now they're shocked that it it wasn't a purely symbolic middle finger.

I see two likely follow-on developments:

(1) a new and almost certainly successful Scottish independence vote.
(2) a renewal of tensions in N. Ireland over union with Ireland or England (with an outside possibility of independence). Hopefully this can be done without escalating into religious war.
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Mike
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The markets are stabilising a little but took a huge nosedive this morning. David Cameron has resigned, the Ł hit it's lowest value for over 30 years and it looks inevitable that Ireland and Scotland will hold their own referendum for independance. Scotland only stayed in when they had this referendum before as it meant they would stay part of the EU. Now that's gone I can't see them wanting to stay with us. The Scottish vote was our only hope getting Labour in power, and now that that looks likely to leave us we could well be stuck with Conservatives for a loooooooong time.
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meyers
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I'm looking forward to 'Indietracks' - Pop-Festival in Ripley, end of July. Then we'll go to Liverpool and Wales. I'm looking forward as well to first-hand information on how this could have happened. Here in Germany we heard a lot about a possible Grexit. Now, out of nowhere really, Brexit it is. I especially will ask about the role of Ms Merkel and her invitation to millions of young men, mostly from muslim countries, with whom she has flooded even the most remote German villages and has changed the face of our country within only a few months most likely forever. As a teacher I learned from my students that in bigger towns escort services had to be established to guide female disco-goers from the clubs safely back to their cars. We didn't have that before the so-called refugee-crisis of 2015 (and the young men are still poring in in the hundreds of thousands).
I'm sad as well because Britain has more than once been the voice of reason in EU-decision-making. Now, without them,we're left behind with the likes of Juncker, Schulz, Draghi & Co. I do not hope that these fellows are now after some cheap & dirty revenge. Increased taxes, e.g. for ebayed records from the UK, would be exactly that!
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fkmiller
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i'd imagine there are more than a few northern european countries now thinking of their own euro exits.could this be the start of a domino effect?many people are unhappy with the way brussels controls their lives,laws and particularly their immigration policies.their voices are being stifled and are unheard in the main.
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meyers
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Domino effect? Maybe. But your comment reminds me of an interview I once read with Macca in which he stated that after they had gotten in contact with the Maharisi, they developed a very effective mantra: Something WILL happen.
We'll soon find out what that is. In the morning news they predicted a devastating blow to the UK's car industry.
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Well, I will stick my head up high and declare my vote for Brexit. I didn't do it lightly , or out of some racist fears. However, (and I admit that Brexit may have little or no impact here) we are an island that is struggling to house its own population. Our infrastructure is struggling to cope and our health service is buckling under the strain. I believe that we need to have more control over our own destiny, not be ruled by Brussels.

Sure, the markets have taken a tumble, but they will recover. Perhaps we have a situation of "no pain-no gain".

There will, I'm sure, be sanctions, but there needs to be two way traffic here. We are a prosperous country, and will remain so.

Whilst it may sound harsh, we cannot fix all the ills in the world. We should try to fix our own country before trying to fix the rest of the world.

Maybe the immigration issue(and I know that this was the deciding vote for a huge number of people) is a case of a "piss in the ocean" in real terms. We hear of people crossing seas in overcrowded boats, and these number in their hundreds(which is chicken feed in comparison to our total population). These people I feel sorry for. You have to be desperate to take those sort of risks with your kids.

The vote, for many, was a difficult one. With so much political scare-mongering, many didn't know which side to believe. On the face of it, it seems(blanket statement) that the vote was roughly split between those with money and those without. There were also huge "out" votes where there was the most noticeable recent immigrant population.

Anyway, enough of my ramblings. Apologies here, no offence to anyone intended.

AH
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Im from UK but live in Cyprus. I was hoping that the UK would remain in the EU i hope that the big foreign companies don't decide to bugger off a few years if the profit margins drop as Britain had done well to attract Foreign Businesses and the defict was apparently coming down.

In my opinion i thought that David Cameron was a decent prime minister but you could see he was losing it the last year or so and slagging off his own Politician Michael Gove didn't do him any favours. Both the Conservative and the Labour party need to rebuild shame that Hilary Benn (whom i thought was good speaker for Labour) was sacked by Corbyn (i think as i think hes useless btw) but he Corbyn surely must resign now.

Yes something needs to be done about the mass immigration of people that are trying to get in to EU countries. It seems that EU countries seem to be sick the mass immigration problem you can see and hear that its causing a lot of ill feeling. I have heard mentioned that some other EU countries wants a referendum on whether to leave the EU i think everyone is watching closely with anticipation.




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meyers
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I had a bit of a bad conscience when I started this topic. But here, in this forum, I knew I would find decent people that could provide me with first hand insights and answers to why the outcome has been as it was. German news are highly biased and focus mainly on the remain side, even now, that the election is over. I even get the impression, that Scotland is by far the most important end biggest part of the UK. So thanks to all you Beatle people for your replies and for not shying back to share your points of view.
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So some people said "exit" because of the refugees ? Probably yes, but they should realise they may have answered the wrong question then. If the UK wants to separate itself demographically, it will not be difficult for the EU to do so economically and politically. Europe has been a rich continent for a long time, not at least because it exploited a lot of other countries in the rest of the world. But what's against helping others who are need ? Honestly, I can't understand people who say "let them drown" (and a lot of people say that, also in my country).
Meyers mentions "chanching the face of the country". If any country has changed the face of dozens of other countries, it's the UK itself. I understand the point, but even if the EU falls apart, the refugees will still come to Europe, because they live in a country with war. I would try to take my children out of such situation, regardless if I would be welcomed or not and probably all of you would.
The worst scenario imo is referendums as this about an "all or nothing decision" in other countries. I don't think such a big and complicated question is a good topic for a referendum. As socorro says, people may use this to give politicians the symbolic middle finger, but not to make a weighted decision. A divided Europe is a very bad prospect for the future if you ask me, especially with a lot of left- and right wing fundamentalistic thinking. Trying to cope with the refugee problem now will probably still be easier than living in a divided Europe in the future. I hope we stay together, because our terrible history of war since about the time Caesar ruled, was one of the reasons why the EU was founded.
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Europe has had all sorts of refugee problems as well as economic instability that the UK has not had. I suspect that the pound deflation is "punishment" for withdrawing. That will correct itself, and the Euro will lose some value.
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i wanted to stay in but voted leave out of principal.

in my view I could not in all conscience vote remain in an organisation that cannot sign off its accounts for 21 years and moves its parliament to vote one a week at appalling expense and railroaded the single currency for political reasons not economic and eventually impoverishing half of Europe.

i felt it was like a protection racket, that we were paying in to retain the sound economic benefits, and its true there are sound economic benefits to be had but the price was my soul.

I was hoping i would be outvoted but i wasn't but i do not regret my vote on principle, oh and to me immigration was not even on my radar as a factor.
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