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Sgt Pepper 1 Box Red Emi Parlophone Lettering; Sgt Pepper 1 Box RED
Topic Started: Jun 3 2016, 06:56 PM (1,267 Views)
servi
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Yes, nice pictures.
IMO this was done using a felt tip pen. The ink is also on the small ring in the label and looks unevenly distributed.
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harveyw
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Agreed. The uneven colour makes me think this is not for real. Look at the extra areas of colour on this one (assuming this works!)
http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/grave197...html?sort=3&o=1
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1970grave
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I'll be biased here - only because i have the only known copy
and i'll use a little common sense
if a felt tip pen was used, any increase or decrease in pressure would cause the ink to run into the black - Both the EMI's and the Parlophone's are prefect in that respect and would need a unbelievably steady hand.
An increase or decrease in pressure would also cause lighter and darker patches - this is not evident to the naked eye
The fact that the EMI's and the Parlophone's are so precise leads me to think that the red ink (if by hand - very careless and sloppy) on the ring could only have been made from the printers
If one had gone to such craftsman ship to colour in the EMI's and Parlophones why be so careless to colour in parts of the ring - especially below the red 'O'
The fact that there is red ink here is, for me, the deal clincher not the deal braker.
and have you seen how small and narrow the EMI and Parlophone lettering is - if done by hand the guy cannot be human
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Mike
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Are there any other known examples of Red Parlophone labels out there?
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1970grave
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as soon as one pops up others tend to surface
but as of now this is the only known copy
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Jae
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My opinion...

1. Image 3 clearly shows a name written in pen left of the Parlophone logo. Image 4 clearly shows the name is written in red pen. Images 5 & 6 show more text written to the right of NCB...appears to be in the same colour, but is a bit harder to tell.

2. The colouring looks uneven, as if applied with a fine felt tip pen...perhaps the same one that wrote the name...

EDIT: 3. Image 2 shows some obvious bleed into the parts of the inner ring under the L, H and O where the label has worn. All running true to the ring...which didn't exist when the label was printed. Must have been an amazing typesetter to not only predict the wear around the lettering and spot fill it in red beforehand, but predict the exact placement of the label on the record to know where the wear would occur! ...And then use ink that wouldn't wear like the grey ink on the base label.
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The black labels are (obviously!) a good deal darker than the letters. If there were any red pen overlapping onto the black areas it wouldn't be visible. In fact, this is a fundamental of how printing works.
There is a certain amount of overlap in (for example) the yellow/black areas on original Parlophone LP labels to ensure full coverage in the event of any slipping of the paper during the printing process (at least, this is my understanding). It's sometimes possible to see this overlap -I'm looking at an example right now- but unfortunately pretty difficult to photograph...
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1970grave,Jun 18 2016
11:17 AM

The fact that the EMI's and the Parlophone's are so precise leads me to think that the red ink (if by hand - very careless and sloppy) on the ring could only have been made from the printers
If one had gone to such craftsman ship to colour in the EMI's and Parlophones why be so careless to colour in parts of the ring - especially below the red 'O'

Not sure if you're favouring factory printing or hand colouring now.
Side 2 shows - I think without doubt - that the red is spread to the worn "ring" below Parlophone, wear that can only have had occurred after printing, through handling etc. If the black has worn away, why hasn't the red? The red can only have been added after the wear occured, by hand, quite sloppily as it is very much lower beneath the "o". Probably done by previous owner for the purpose of identifying the record it as his/her own, when the pen used to write their name failed to show up on the black background, and not to intentionally create an otherwise undocumented "rarity".
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The 2 names are written in blue biro GERARD and LEVER
they are not in the same red pen
it may be that GERARD LEVER is the one who hold all the answers to this oddity
if anyone knows of such man please ask him
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1970grave
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managed to get a macro lens on iPhone
here is the image
http://s1186.photobucket.com/user/grave197...gjakmk.jpg.html
my conclusion is that the red ink was printed after the black - as was the case with the standard yellow prints on the Black and Yellow parlophone labels
There is clear evidence of this in the borders of each letter
The Red ink that most have wrongly stated as red felt 'running' or why is there red pen on top of the white ring that has chipped away can clearly be seen that the red is on top of the black. Felt pen cannot be written on black - this is clearly printers ink
As this was most probably a one off or at best one of a very few then the printers may not have been to careful with quality control
I have purchased the odd fake and dud in the past - sometimes you take a gamble sometimes you are conned - you take it on the chin.
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Mike
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That macro certainly does make it look like it was printed on. A casual felt-tip colouring in would not have been so precise.
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The red was drawn on after the wear occurred. That is why it appears on top of the worn spots.
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1970grave
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namralos - are you looking at the new pic i uploaded
it clearly shows that the red print is on top of the black
the wear to the ring has removed the black and the red ink
magnify the pic on the tool bar you will see it clear as day
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1970grave,Jun 20 2016
07:13 AM
namralos - are you looking at the new pic i uploaded
it clearly shows that the red print is on top of the black
the wear to the ring has removed the black and the red ink
magnify the pic on the tool bar you will see it clear as day

having seen the yellow copies in the flesh i remain on the fence on this one.

There is a danger of the " i want to believe " syndrome though, wanting to believe so much in something objectivity goes out of the window, another syndrome called confirmation bias i believe also comes into play.

However until somebody can prove one way or the other the skill required in hand colouring in these logo's to that standard cannot be dismissed ( and more importantly why go to all that effort ? ) , although to me this still remains the most likely scenario.

So I remain on the fence, however had i not seen those yellows in the flesh i probably would be squarely on the hand coloured side
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muffmasterh,Jun 20 2016
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having seen the yellow copies in the flesh i remain on the fence on this one.

There is a danger of the " i want to believe " syndrome though, wanting to believe so much in something objectivity goes out of the window, another syndrome called confirmation bias i believe also comes into play.

However until somebody can prove one way or the other the skill required in hand colouring in these logo's to that standard cannot be dismissed ( and more importantly why go to all that effort ? ) , although to me this still remains the most likely scenario.

So I remain on the fence, however had i not seen those yellows in the flesh i probably would be squarely on the hand coloured side

In my opinion the record already has writing on the labels so i think someone had time on their hands and coloured it in and the red has been coloured on to the inner ring this wouldnt happen in printing like that.
Yes it looks nice something different but still say colour in job.
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