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Two Virgins Mono Sleeve
Topic Started: Apr 1 2016, 08:47 AM (1,805 Views)
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Just got this one. Some call it the mono cover. It has Paul McCartney's quote on the front rather than on the back. Does anyone know more about this ? I suspect that later stereo copies of the LP came with this sleeve as you see it sometimes with stereo LPs. Of course you never see the mono LP. My LP has a high stamper (at least for this LP it's high) and came in a Patents inner sleeve instead of the black inner. That's why I think it is slightly later pressed.
Furthermore, the sleeve is not laminated and has a different construction than the stereo cover. I think it it genuine though, but any ideas ? Has anyone handled more copies of this sleeve to tell a genuine one from a fake ?
This was poorly advertised with blurry photographs and I decided to take the gamble...
The seller sold several Zapple and early Apple LPs from his own collection and did not seem to have a lot of knowledge, that's why I think this is not a fake sleeve. Printing quality is as good (or as bad) as on the stereo sleeve. The sleeve shows a tiny bit more of the photograph than the stereo cover and is identical to the one on applerecords.nl http://www.applerecords.nl/UK%20Apple%20Al...graphy%20JL.pdf
I might even play it today (no, that's just an April's fool day joke !).

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never seen an unlaminated one before....
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It's sort of glossy cardboard. Have you seen the mono sleeve before, or do you have it ?
The record is 1 GR / 1 GM, very high
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servi,Apr 1 2016
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It's sort of glossy cardboard. Have you seen the mono sleeve before, or do you have it ?
The record is 1 GR / 1 GM, very high

This matches exact my mono sleeve , got it in the early 90s, no counterfeits were known at this time of the UK TV LP.
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Garfield,Apr 2 2016
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servi,Apr 1 2016
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It's sort of glossy cardboard. Have you seen the mono sleeve before, or do you have it ?
The record is 1 GR / 1 GM, very high

This matches exact my mono sleeve , got it in the early 90s, no counterfeits were known at this time of the UK TV LP.

Excellent, Garfield ! Possibly 2 versions of the mono sleeve exist. The laminated ones and these ones ?
Here is a laminated mono sleeve: http://www.tracks.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000016.p...ds%2ehtml#a8846
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servi,Apr 2 2016
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Garfield,Apr 2 2016
06:49 AM
servi,Apr 1 2016
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It's sort of glossy cardboard. Have you seen the mono sleeve before, or do you have it ?
The record is 1 GR / 1 GM, very high

This matches exact my mono sleeve , got it in the early 90s, no counterfeits were known at this time of the UK TV LP.

Excellent, Garfield ! Possibly 2 versions of the mono sleeve exist. The laminated ones and these ones ?
Here is a laminated mono sleeve: http://www.tracks.co.uk/cgi-bin/sh000016.p...ds%2ehtml#a8846

i have only even seen laminated mono sleeves - i have to say the glossy card would worry me but i'd need to handle one before making a ruling lol.

There are unlaminated AHDN mono sleeves and the card for those on the front has a kind of sheen to it, however glossy card takes over from matt card for all new album sleeves in the UK around 1979 with the rest following in the early 80's ( probably as stock was used up ) , i've no idea why this is and may be something to do with card production generally.

There are fake christmas album sleeves using the correct card and laminted fronts which are VERY convincing and these MUST date prior to 1979 so i would not rule out fake sleeves but such fakes are not common for UK albums.
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Garfield , did your sleeve come with an LP ? It would be strange if fake sleeves were issued with genuine LPs. I have no reason to doubt this is general, as the seller was just someone selling his collection and the sleeve has ringwear and all. But you never know, could theoretically be a fake sleeve that removed a damaged original. The construction looks untypical for emi, but these where technink....
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http://www.popsike.com/BeatlesLennon-Two-V...4732160392.html

"Housed in rare unlaminated mono cover printed by 'Technink limited'.
Complete with original 'Patents..' white inner-sleeve."

The above sale was in 2005.

Previous discussion:
http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...?showtopic=2651

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servi,Apr 2 2016
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Garfield , did your sleeve come with an LP ? It would be strange if fake sleeves were issued with genuine LPs. I have no reason to doubt this is general, as the seller was just someone selling his collection and the sleeve has ringwear and all. But you never know, could theoretically be a fake sleeve that removed a damaged original. The construction looks untypical for emi, but these where technink....

Yes, my cover comes with a LP.
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What are the stampers, Garfield and does it have a Patents inner ?
Aurelian's copy, my copy and the one in Frank's link have Patents inner sleeve and high GR / GM stampers, indicating early '70s. The nonlaminated "mono" sleeve must be a genuine later printing then, as we now know of at least 4 copies that all came with genuine LPs (Garfield, Aurelian, mine and the agm67 copy). The TV LP was still in the catalogue in the early '70s, right ?
There are 2 variants of the stereo pressing (see applerecords.nl) and it would be interesting to know whether the later LPs are the one with less spacing (the 2nd one shown on applerecords)...
Also I doubt if the mono had a different sleeve on purpose. There was non use to do so, because there ate no mono/stereo designations on the sleeve. The handful of mono LPs that have surfaced had the sleeve with printing on the front, but maybe only 10"copies or soare known. There is more stereo copies sold in that sleeve (either laminated or glossy cardboard).
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My copy of this LP is also housed in an unlaminated (though glossy) cover with "mono"-style layout, although the LP itself is a genuine UK stereo pressing (with SIUK labels/no spacing & 1-GR/1-GA mothers/stampers, quite high for a record which would have sold quite poorly). I'd always assumed it was a non-UK-printed cover which somehow got paired up with a UK LP, but I have nothing on which to base this assumption other than the fact that I bought it from a Dutch dealer (about 20 years ago). Looking at the Dutch pressing on applerecords.nl, it's clearly a different cover. Though it's also clearly a legitimate copy.

I guess Technink (whoever they were - the only results to a google search brings up references to the Two Virgins LP) were less fussy about their stock than EMI were, and simply printed up a batch without lamination.
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servi,Apr 2 2016
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What are the stampers, Garfield and does it have a Patents inner ?
Aurelian's copy, my copy and the one in Frank's link have Patents inner sleeve and high GR / GM stampers, indicating early '70s. The nonlaminated "mono" sleeve must be a genuine later printing then, as we now know of at least 4 copies that all came with genuine LPs (Garfield, Aurelian, mine and the agm67 copy). The TV LP was still in the catalogue in the early '70s, right ?
There are 2 variants of the stereo pressing (see applerecords.nl) and it would be interesting to know whether the later LPs are the one with less spacing (the 2nd one shown on applerecords)...
Also I doubt if the mono had a different sleeve on purpose. There was non use to do so, because there ate no mono/stereo designations on the sleeve. The handful of mono LPs that have surfaced had the sleeve with printing on the front, but maybe only 10"copies or soare known. There is more stereo copies sold in that sleeve (either laminated or glossy cardboard).

So mine has 1 GR, 1 GA stampers with Patents inner, labels are #2 on www.applerecords.nl

My other copy, which comes in a laminated stereo-sleeve has 1 O, 1 O stampers and has labels #1 on www.applerecords.nl
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Thanks guys, the trend is clear, high stampers have unlaminated sleeves. The unlaminated ones are probably later pressings. As with any Beatles-related LP there would always be some demand even for TV, the worst LP ever. I played it yesterday after maybe 10 years and I am surprised how awful it is. All you hope for is Yoko to shut up. Perhaps the ono mono mix is better......
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servi,Apr 3 2016
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Thanks guys, the trend is clear, high stampers have unlaminated sleeves. The unlaminated ones are probably later pressings. As with any Beatles-related LP there would always be some demand even for TV, the worst LP ever. I played it yesterday after maybe 10 years and I am surprised how awful it is. All you hope for is Yoko to shut up. Perhaps the ono mono mix is better......

Yes, I want the mono LP not for collecting reasons, but to listen to the beautiful mono-mix ;)
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It interests me that the printer seems to have reverted to the earlier "mono" design AFTER printing a run of the correct "text on back" sleeves. Maybe when the demand for the LP did emerge, they were unable to locate the corrected cover design.
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