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Solve Sr International
Topic Started: Mar 11 2016, 04:36 PM (651 Views)
pierroferrero
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Hi everybody

We don't understand anything about the SR international releases! German pressings + made in Switzerland + made in Austria + Austro Mechana + GEMA ! A total mess.
I looked at my "And Now The Beatles" matrices and here what I found :

Germany
Side A :
12PAL 2999-SM-1
12PAL 3152 SM-1
Side B :
12PAL 3000-SM-1
12PAL 3153 SM-1

Germany
Side A :
12PAL 2999-SM-1
12PAL 3152 SM-1
Side B :
12PAL 3000-SM-1

Swiss
Side A :
12PAL 2999 SM-1F (hand-etched F)
Side B :
12PAL 3000 SM-1

Swiss
Side A :
12PAL 2999 SM-1F (hand-etched F)
73735-1
Side B :
12PAL 3000 SM-1
73735-2

I found out that the 3152 matrix belongs to the rare Impression pressing of "The Beatles Beat", which has the same track listing as the And now. http://www.popsike.com/php/m-detaildata.ph...nr=200829461398

-How was issued book club editions?
-What was the link between SR international and Impression Odeon?
-What do you assume regarding that one my German SR has Impression matrices on one side while another has two...

Then
-Could the F hand-etched on the made in Switzerland pressing be the proof of this ones not being pressed in Germany but in Switzerland?

Thanks
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Good questions. My Swiss pressing also has a slighlty different label shape, so it may be a true Swiss pressing but I am not sure. Some previous discussion here: http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...?showtopic=2943
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One thing I will add is that most, if not all, of the German book club LPs were contract pressed by Electrola/Odeon (not sure exactly how the licensing worked, but that may have gone through Electrola too).

It is not too surprising that some of the record club LPs have overlapping matrix markings, since they had the same track list and were contract pressed by the same company, although under different contracts.
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Ok servi I read the other topic! It seems you have a F hand etched on your Swiss version too! My two also have the dish label as you described! Has yours the extra matrice numbers of one of mine?
I am more and more convinced that these ones are true Swiss records... Could you tell us the matrix numbers of your Austro Mechana without made in mention?

So Socorro you think that they only made one "set of matrices" for the different book club? Do you have some German ones with no 3152/3153 SM ?
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I'm not sure if the stampers used for the book club editions with the same track lists came from the same mother, but I am not surprised that there are common matrix numbers.

I'll check my various book club LPs to see if I find anything interesting.
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I went searching through RootsVinylGuide for unusual variations of And Now.

Here's one with Austro Mechana on side one only.
http://www.rootsvinylguide.com/ebay_items/...nal-73-735-p-15

Now I do wonder if only the "dished" labels were actually made in Switzerland -- despite the Swiss markings in the matrix of the Austro Mechan copies.

Now that 45worlds is up and running and discogs is adding some label details, the basic label variations appear to be...

* Alle Urheber text in small print; top and bottom text; top part begins "Alle Urheber. und herstellerrechte...." Rim print is close together; before the end of 1966.
* Urheber rim text in small print; bottom text only c. 1967-1970**
* Urheber rim text in small print; top and bottom rim text c. 1970-1977
* Alle print is spread out across top and bottom rims. Top part begins "Alle Urheber- und Leistungsschutzrechte....", 1978-1982+.

**The larger Urheber- text on the Beatles LP's appears to be the same sort of font that Teldec normally used on its S*R International albums.
http://img.cdandlp.com/2015/08/imgL/116660817-3.jpg

The usual print along the bottom:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mary-Hopkin-Keith-...5UAAOSwoudW4b9r




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pierroferrero,Mar 11 2016
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Ok servi I read the other topic! It seems you have a F hand etched on your Swiss version too! My two also have the dish label as you described! Has yours the extra matrice numbers of one of mine?
I am more and more convinced that these ones are true Swiss records... Could you tell us the matrix numbers of your Austro Mechana without made in mention?

So Socorro you think that they only made one "set of matrices" for the different book club? Do you have some German ones with no 3152/3153 SM ?

My Austro Mechana copy without Made in Switzerland:

Side A:
12PAL 2999-SM-1
12PAL 3152 SM-1
Side B :
12PAL 3000-SM-1

My Swiss copy (better said: the one with Made in Switzerland marix) is the same as your first Swiss copy, indeed with the extra F. Possibly we shouldn't rely too much on the matrices, because you now found 2 different ones for the Made in Switzerland pressing....
IMO we would need to see more German GEMA copies to exclude the appearance of the extra F and the dish label on GEMA copies. Also the 3 variations could have been subsequent pressings, where the matrix markings were slightly changed. The Made in Switzerland text looks completely different than the rest of the matrix markings and could have been added later. You could be right about the extra F, but evidence is weak at this stage. We would have to compare the label and matrix to contemporary Swiss pressings, e.g. on turicaphon or other labels from the Zug plant. I think we did some conparisons earlier, but didn't bother to find the thread...

@namralos: the dish labels are the ones with Made in Switzerland plus the extra F in the matrix. There are no dish labels with Austro or without Made in Switzerland as far as we know now, nor do GEMA copies with Made in Switzerland markings exist. The Austro Mechana copies without Made in Switzerland are almost identical to the German GEMA copies. Some designated these as Austrian copies, but nothing is sure IMO about any country of origin.

And what about Worlds Best ? Does a Swiss pressing exist ? I only have a Made in Austria stamped copy. And does And Now exist with Made in Austria stamp ? Probably not....

Finally, we all know the EMI Columbia mispressings from Germany, e.g. Worlds Best and Sgt Pepper. But are these actually mispressings ? Switzerland was using the EMI Columbia label......
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First i wanna add that i looked closer at my swiss ones and even if they are dished the dish is really lighter than yours servi. You can feel it with fingers but impossible to take in picture

Servi
 
My Austro Mechana copy without Made in Switzerland:

Side A:
12PAL 2999-SM-1
12PAL 3152 SM-1
Side B :
12PAL 3000-SM-1


So Servi it's exactly the same as one of my GEMA. I would definitively say that your Austro Mecana Non Made in mentioned is a real German pressing...
Do you agree?

Servi
 
The Made in Switzerland text looks completely different than the rest of the matrix markings and could have been added later. 


On my second Swiss with extra numbers, the extra numbers are totally different from the 12 PAL. The font looks closer to the made in switzerland. Smaller and thicker numbers. I would not be surprised if this numbers would have been stamped in the place than the Made In Switzerland.

Servi
 
And what about Worlds Best ? Does a Swiss pressing exist ? I only have a Made in Austria stamped copy. And does And Now exist with Made in Austria stamp ? Probably not....


Never seen any of them.

Servi
 
Finally, we all know the EMI Columbia mispressings from Germany, e.g. Worlds Best and Sgt Pepper. But are these actually mispressings ? Switzerland was using the EMI Columbia label......


Are you trying to suggest that these ones could be Swiss pressing? That sounds too amazing to be true no?

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* Alle Urheber text in small print; top and bottom text; top part begins "Alle Urheber. und herstellerrechte...." Rim print is close together; before the end of 1966.
* Urheber rim text in small print; bottom text only c. 1967-1970**
* Urheber rim text in small print; top and bottom rim text c. 1970-1977
* Alle print is spread out across top and bottom rims. Top part begins "Alle Urheber- und Leistungsschutzrechte....", 1978-1982+.


Where did you learn about this dates?
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pierroferrero, for the dates I looked at every S*R International record on the sites that I mentioned.
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Here is another Austro Mechana LP that I bought, a club release. Label style and matrix are identical to the German 1C pressing, so probably this is a German pressing, like the AndNow Austro Mechana pressings. Like the standard German version it also mentions STEMRA (the Dutch copyright organisation), but this one was not sold in Holland as far as I know.

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ahaha I bid on that one too...
I had never seen that one before.
I'm more keen to consider this one as a german export.
There is no "made in" mention i suppose?

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No, this is not the one that was on ebay (which sold for 88 euro), but another copy I found a few days later for 20 euros via a Hungarian seller (it had an Hungarian inner sleeve as well, but I consider that a swop). It does only say "Made in EEC" on the label, but everything looks like it is a German pressing, maybe indeed for a foreign club or foreign market.
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Oh well 20€ is a much more better price!
That's the one must be the only issue with green odeon and Austro mechana known to date no?
Made in EEC!! Ahaha mystery still remains... We can't exclude a real Austrian copy!! Austro mechana is definitely a real mess
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Yes, 88 euro was too much. This is a rare LP but not a lot of people are interested in rerereleases.
I do not know any other Green Odeon LP with Austro Mechana, although some other club releases exist on the Green Odeon label, e.g. AHDN. Below is a label variant of this Reel Music LP, it has no perimeter print and the "Alle" text next to the Dome logo.
We can't exclude an Austrian pressing, but a German export for Austria seems more logic.
BTW, forget the remark about STEMRA above. Many German green labels have that..


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Servi a copy without perimeter print like the last picture you posted is on the way for my collection! I'm not aware of the matrices for the instance but I will let you know. Must be exactly the same as yours but who knows! Austro-mechana are always full of surprises ;) happy easter to all
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