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Love Me Do Coincidence?
Topic Started: Mar 2 2016, 01:22 PM (580 Views)
admiral halsey
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Just picked up (Another!!!) Red label LMD, either as an upgrade or to re-sell. The final price was £30 delivered. It had a sticker, which I've removed. I reckoned that with this removed I would, at least, get my money back, and hopefully, make a profit. The new de-stickered copy is a sound and visual upgrade(some git wrote his name on both sides of the push-out on the other copy!)

Anyway, here's the thing. I've pulled out my other copy for comparison. They are both copies with the Lennon-McCartney credit on LMD off centre, i.e. the L in Love hangs over EN in Lennon. However, the both have exactly the same Mother/Stampers, right down to the upside down M under the stamper thus:

A/B side 9 O'clock = R MPZT 1/R PZT 1

A/B side 3 O'clock = RD/GP upside down M

I'm guessing that the upside down M went awry and was supposed to be part of the tax code at 9 O'clock.

So, what are the chances of my finding two LMD's from exactly the same pressing?

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Actually this chance is quite high.. It feels as if the chances are exceedingly low but if you examine a reasonable amount of copies you will have a hit with another copy much more frequent than you would expect. This is known as the "birthday paradox" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Birthday_problem) and applies to a lot of chances in life that we estimate to be really small, but that are not small at all.
I have been following stamper codes for Sgt Pepper for several years and found multiple copies with the same stampers and this was a much bigger seller than LMD. It was even possible to assign certain stampers to certain label lay-outs or label errors.
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admiral halsey
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Interesting

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Yes, as the red labelled discs were pressed in relatively small numbers, the mother never got passed 1, and they are mostly single digit stamper codes. So it's fairly common to pick up (or see for sale) several from the same batch. Out of a total of 12 copies, I have 2 x P/JR, 2 x O/G, 3 x RR/RG.
The black labels were even fewer; my 2 copies of the 4th press are both AD/RH.
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As a comparison: if around 350 different stampers were used for a record (for a big seller), you would only need to examine around 70 copies to find 2 identical stampers with a probability of 99,9%. For a relative poor seller like LMD, it would take maybe 10-20 copies only. For a real poor seller like the experimental Lennon LPs it may even take some time before you will find a different stamper. I've had 3 copies of Wedding Album, all three were 1G/1G.
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F O T H,Mar 2 2016
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Yes, as the red labelled discs were pressed in relatively small numbers, the mother never got passed 1, and they are mostly single digit stamper codes. So it's fairly common to pick up (or see for sale) several from the same batch. Out of a total of 12 copies, I have 2 x P/JR, 2 x O/G, 3 x RR/RG.
The black labels were even fewer; my 2 copies of the 4th press are both AD/RH.

I'll have to check my black labels now!

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I have two JR/JR LMD stock what are the chances of that .
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Xex606,Mar 4 2016
07:46 AM
I have two JR/JR LMD stock what are the chances of that .

Jammy git! ;)

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Jammy or deep pockets :lol:
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They both came out of the wild didn't cost much at all the first one came from a car boot sale in southport the second is a factory sample that I got of a guy that does house clearances in Runcorn think that cost about a tenner for a bag full of stuff and that was in it.
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Xex606,Mar 4 2016
07:46 AM
I have two JR/JR LMD stock what are the chances of that .

Actually, great tho that is ("Jammy git" seems appropriate), surely the chances are actually about the same as any other combination, given that any stamper would be used to it's maximum before being discarded? In fact, you quite possibly improved your chances by seeking out such a desirable disc (twice)?
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JR/JR is a very rare pairing I've seen three in thirty odd years
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The only reason you see JR/JR is that for singles that they thought would have a limited market they only produced one set of metal work initially this was considered enough to fulfil local demand these being the demo Stamper the initial stock was produced from these as no other metal work was available you see P1/JR and G1/JR the P1 being far away the most common.
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Xex606,Mar 4 2016
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The only reason you see JR/JR is that for singles that they thought would have a limited market they only produced one set of metal work initially this was considered enough to fulfil local demand these being the demo Stamper the initial stock was produced from these as no other metal work was available you see P1/JR and G1/JR the P1 being far away the most common.

also they probably would not waste a perfectly good stamper for only 250 or so demos, they would keep using them until they thought they were spent, thats why u see them on normal singles and why u see them paired with normal stampers.
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Interestingly you only ever see the "A" JR with the "B" side JR maybe the "A"JR was damage early on as it doesn't appear with any other stamper.but JR/JR is a very small run
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