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20yrs Ago Pic Disc Query
Topic Started: Aug 21 2015, 02:16 PM (453 Views)
admiral halsey
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I remember buying these picture discs on the day of release during the time of my original collection. Many came with the release date insert, buy many didn't. my new collection (10 so far) boasts these inserts with only the later singles, which seems to be familiar with all those years ago!

My question is, are inserts with appropriate catalogue numbers available for each single?

AH
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AurelianDE
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No.

I, too, bought them at the time of release (over a period of roughly seven years), and only the later singles came with a black insert. I can't check right now, but unless someone else has them ready at hand, I'll check tonight.
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AurelianDE
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Ok, this is what I found:

Inserts from Lady Madonna, black cards with a big apple on the reverse (Hey Jude); advertisement for Past Masters 1 and 2 (Lady Madonna), text with barcode and RP number in the top right corner (remaining four).

Text is 'The Beatles / 20th anniversary picture discs / [list of singles with original and new release dates] on those last issues.

And don't forget the 12" Hey Jude variant also released on Aug 30, 1988.


BTW, when you sold your first collection (I suppose you did), did you sell the series as a set or rather individual discs?
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admiral halsey
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My first collection was sold to a friend, who subsequently sold it on for much less than he paid me for it :o

The collection consisted of, at least one copy each, of every UK release from 1962-85.
There was on copy each of all the UK mono's(No YS), stereo's from Sgt pepper onwards.
Original Electronic, Stereo Virgins, pepper without ADITL and many other rarities.

A complete run of UK Apple singles with bags(no Mary jane or Fuh :( ), plus many non UK Apple singles(Hodge, Van Eaton etc). Approx half of the Non Beatles Apple lp's. I had "Fuh" on a pirate acetate 7", which I saw recently sold on ebay for around £30, still with my own home made label!

Every solo single(including 12" multiple labels-mixes etc), plus many non uk solo's (eg Beaucoups of blues, Just a dream, in my car)

There was also included approx 50 original cassettes and an (at the time) comprehensive bootleg collection on around 150 lp's and 200 tapes.

IIRC, the vinyl numbered approx 500 singles/500 lp's

It was approx 85-90% mint. There were certainly no jumpers. I tried a few dealers and got offers around £2,500. Quite frankly, I thought they were taking the P*** :angry: Anyway, my friend took the lot and spent around three months appraising it and paid me £10,000 :D :D This enabled me(with a little help from my bank) to do a loft conversion and take the family on holiday.

Whilst I wish I had still got a few of the Apple singles(Trash/Lomax), it was the right decision at the time. I was frightened to play the rare stuff with two toddlers around, and the collection sat on a shelf for several years. It was only when I went to put in the RSJ for the loft conversion that I discovered the boxes of lp's covered in mould. That decided it for me. Better to sell than see the mould get inside the boxes and render the collection worthless.

AH
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AurelianDE
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That was quite an impressive collection. I'm sure you shed a tear or two, in your new loft, when it was gone. It seems to me, though, that you were lucky to have a friend who didn't take advantage of your situation (to his own disadvantage, as it turned out). Great story, thanks for sharing it.
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AurelianDE,Aug 21 2015
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That was quite an impressive collection. I'm sure you shed a tear or two, in your new loft, when it was gone. It seems to me, though, that you were lucky to have a friend who didn't take advantage of your situation (to his own disadvantage, as it turned out). Great story, thanks for sharing it.

Thank you.

As you can see from the Admiral's budget thread I have many nice items in my currentcollection. Several of these I never had before. My favourites are probably original Mono Yellow Sub and Stereo Please please me. I'm also very pleased with my collection of French ep's. I only had a few of these as re-pressings. With ebay, we have the world at our fingertips, making it so much easier to collect foreign releases. At the time of my original collection these were almost impossible to get without taking out a mortgage!

AH
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Christer H. Thompson
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The strange thing is that I bought the last one I missed (Can`t Buy Me Love) with a black numbered inlay, in the autumn of `89 or early 1990. But definitively prior to LIB. The inlay card has the number RP 5114 above the barcode.
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Christer H. Thompson,Aug 25 2015
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The strange thing is that I bought the last one I missed (Can`t Buy Me Love) with a black numbered inlay, in the autumn of `89 or early 1990. But definitively prior to LIB. The inlay card has the number RP 5114 above the barcode.

When were the first discs released with a barcode? Perhaps back ordering might have yielded a full set with inserts around this time?

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Very strange indeed. The inlay says 'Only available while stocks last'. We know what EMI did with 'strictly limited' things once they reached the 'oops, we underestimated ...' state of mind (Rarities, Mono CD set). Did they press additional copies when demand dictated it? Or did they equip remaining stock with inlays once they had invented them for the later singles?

One way to find out would be matrices. Different matrices on the same record would be an indication of separate press runs (but not a proof, mind you!)

I'm pretty sure that I bought mine close to the day they were released (my record shop put them back for me if I happened to miss a date by a month or so). Hello Goodbye and All You Need ... have a label with a barcode attached to the plastic sleeve. So that was immediately before they started the inlays with their printed barcodes. From memory, a time around July 1987 would be about right for the introduction of barcodes on records. I don't think you can find them much earlier on LP covers or singles.

I checked discogs and saw that a barcode was mentioned for HG (stickered, like mine), but also for Help (which is odd). OK, they might have put labels (with new prices, probably) on remaining stock. Another entry in discogs shows a matrix of 7XCE 17657-1N for CBML, which must be a mistake because the 'N'-lathe for mono grooves was no longer used. Anyway, my copy has RP + 5114 + A, without the 1N and with an additional ORLAKE and 1 + T M (or something) at a quarter of an hour distance each. I didn't compare all the matrices. Could you take a look at your CBML?


BTW, if you ever intend to play these records I'd recommend that you keep them separate from those plastic sleeves. That's PVC apparently. It changes with age and can give your records a 'rash' that's clearly audible. It seems the softeners evaporate and interact with the vinyl. I must check all my picture discs.
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I only have about half of the set, CBML is missing :(

Thanks for the tip about the sleeves.

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The original set through "Hello Goodbye" didn't have inserts. I was buying them when they came out. Some of them came in plastic sleeves with catalog number stickers. I think at some point they realized they needed some sort of marking. The stickers included a rudimentary UPC (code).

http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Beatles-Hello-...=p2047675.l2557

Later, I saw more than one of the earlier discs with inserts. As far as I know, these were later copies of the discs.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-We-Can-Wor...=item567a815768
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-I-Want-To-...=item58cb4db0e4
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-Cant-Buy-M...=item58cb1695bb
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-All-You-Ne...=item58cb1695dd

The first insert to "Lady Madonna" pictures the newly-available CD's to Past Masters on the back, but later copies have the standard listing of discs:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-Lady-Madon...=item567a154184
The same thing happened with "Hey Jude." Original copies, like mine, have a large Apple on one side. Later copies have the catalog:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/The-Beatles-Hey-Ju...=p2047675.l2557
http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-Hey-Jude-R...=item58cafa8c5b
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AurelianDE
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Thanks for doing that search. It seems that several, maybe all, earlier singles were on sale with inserts included some time later on. Do you think they actually pressed additional records? Or did they just print inlay cards for remaining stock? Is there a way to distinguish first and second pressings (IF there were second pressings) or are the barcodes and inlays just an indication that those copies were sold later than the others?

Apart from that, your description of your set corresponds to mine (see above, Aug 21). It's my guess, therefore, that your copy of CBML will have the same matrix as mine. Is discogs simply wrong:
http://www.discogs.com/Beatles-Cant-Buy-Me...release/3188101
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"RP + 5114 + A, without the 1N and with an additional ORLAKE and 1 + T M (or something) ..."?

Once I'm at it, I might list the dead wax information for all of them and see if different numbers surface in the future. I'm not sure if the collectability of the set justifies the trouble ...
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