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| Another "love Me Do" Single Question; Ringo on Drums?? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Aug 13 2015, 11:58 PM (1,167 Views) | |
| admiral halsey | Aug 18 2015, 08:12 AM Post #16 |
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I have just checked my 1963 black labels and they are all 1N. However, I clearly remember listening with two friends to original black and red label copies to compare them around thirty years ago. We all definitely agreed that they were different. IIRC, that black label copy is still in my friends possession. I'll ask him to check the matrix number. AH |
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| britinvasion64 | Aug 18 2015, 12:39 PM Post #17 |
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Here is an earlier discussion on the same topic...throughout the 60's all LMD pressings were 1N regardless of the label design. http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...hp?showtopic=30 Info on the first Capitol Canada 45s can be found here....and since Capitol USA was not involved with the Beatles in 1963, the release pressings were coming direct from EMI and needle dropped. Somewhere else this was also confirmed by Alan White of Capitol Canada, but can't find that info at the moment...on the same site somewhere though. " Graham recalls that in the 1960s, it was common for RCA to receive regular release pressings from Capitol USA or EMI in the UK, for use as source material for Canadian 45 releases. Capitol mostly used the services of RCA Toronto to cut the lacquer masters for their Canadian releases. The studios were located in those days, at 225 Mutual Street in downtown Toronto, south of Carlton, just west of Jarvis St. These «foreign» release discs were then directly transferred to a lacquer master that was used to make new 3 step (matrix, motherand stampers) metal parts for pressing purposes. The lacquer master would then be sent to RCA’s pressing plant in Smiths Fall where the new metal parts would be made for stamping out the release discs. Graham states that the lacquer masters for monaural discs were cut at RCA using a Scully lathe with a Westrex cutter head, and that the stereophonic masters were done on a Neumann lathe with the then-new Westrex 3B cutting head." Quote taken from here.... http://www.capitol6000.com/pressingservices.html |
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| britinvasion64 | Aug 18 2015, 01:19 PM Post #18 |
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Here's more info from the same Canadian site....for your entertainment. http://www.capitol6000.com/lovemedo50th.html http://www.capitol6000.com/shelovesyou50th.html http://www.capitol6000.com/rare.html http://www.capitol6000.com/frommetoyou.html |
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| AurelianDE | Aug 18 2015, 02:26 PM Post #19 |
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Thanks for the links, I'm going to enjoy some entertainment later. And particularly for this older thread:
I wasn't aware of its existence (the search function being what it is). For those who don't want to read it all: It's mainly on label variations, but dozens of copies were checked and there was no -2N (or -2, for that matter). I speculated above that very probably there was no necessity to cut a new master during the sixties as demand for the single trickled out. Here's a bit of corroboration from the other thread:
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| muffmasterh | Aug 18 2015, 02:33 PM Post #20 |
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YES THIS IS my understanding of it all but I had nothing to back it up, was just going from memory of previous discussions, that it is a misnomer that back labels are 2N, only the 76 re-issues onwards carry the -2n. I'm not sure when the last 60's issue of LMD was but as far as i know the last labels were 1964 ones. Of course they may have pressed some after 1964 using the 64 labels if there were any left overs in the stock room !! |
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| Bongo | Aug 18 2015, 06:03 PM Post #21 |
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So "ALL" the original black Parlophone "Love Me Do" singles are Ringo on drums??? |
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| muffmasterh | Aug 18 2015, 08:10 PM Post #22 |
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all the 1960's black ones we think yes but they are rarer than the original red ones.... |
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| admiral halsey | Aug 18 2015, 09:13 PM Post #23 |
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I stand corrected. His copy is 1N!! AH |
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| Bongo | Aug 19 2015, 07:09 PM Post #24 |
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Wow, I had no idea the black ones were rarer than the red ones. Txs again guys |
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| muffmasterh | Aug 19 2015, 07:36 PM Post #25 |
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ONLY the 60's ones are rarer, not the 76 onwards copies |
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| Bongo | Aug 20 2015, 02:44 AM Post #26 |
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And before we get off topic, does that also mean it's still Ringo on drums???? |
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| evert180_0 | Aug 20 2015, 11:29 AM Post #27 |
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^^^^^ Look up. Henry already answered you lol. |
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| Bongo | Aug 21 2015, 03:01 PM Post #28 |
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Looks like you were right on the mark AH, they are different, unless stated 1N! As per Mark Lewisohn's Complete Beatles Recording Sessions, the later Singles have Andy White on drums. Posted Image |
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| muffmasterh | Aug 21 2015, 08:07 PM Post #29 |
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later from probably 1976 |
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