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| Apple Scranton Windsor Matrix Stamp; Scranton scratched out, Winchester added | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Sep 2 2014, 04:49 AM (277 Views) | |
| eeeeeeow | Sep 2 2014, 04:49 AM Post #1 |
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I've got copies of "Let It Be" and a "My Sweet Lord" that clearly have the Scranton triangle stamp hand-scratched out and the Winchester factory "wineglass" added next to it. Can someone tell me what this means? It seems obvious that Scranton initially pressed the wax. Did they then send it to Winchester to apply the labels and distribute because they were phasing out the Scranton facility? Ahhh. Hold it. Scranton closed and the remaining stock was shipped to Winchester, right? I bet that's it. |
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| namralos | Sep 2 2014, 04:20 PM Post #2 |
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Metal parts were sent from Scranton to Winchester. |
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| socorro | Sep 2 2014, 06:42 PM Post #3 |
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That is the start of an explanation, but not all of it. 1. How was the Winchester symbol added to already-cast stampers? This would have involved adding metal to the casting, as opposed to removing metal from the casting. That's not an easy trick to pull off. Any pointers on how this was done? 2. If it was possible to add the Winchester symbol, wouldn't it have been even easier to remove the Sranton symbol completely? A few seconds with an emery wheel would do the trick. In fact, wouldn't creating the scratch-out effect entail adding metal? It sounds like I could us a primer concerning (1) what the Scranton plant sent to the Winchester plant; and (2) the molding and casting sequence. |
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| eeeeeeow | Sep 2 2014, 08:00 PM Post #4 |
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Yes, these are actual pressed records with labels. Will get pics as soon as I get a moment. |
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| applehound | Sep 2 2014, 09:31 PM Post #5 |
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It is really quite simple. Like Frank said, Scranton sent it's metal parts to the Winchester factory when Capitol stopped using the Scranton plant. These could be masters or mothers,or both, but the Winchester plant probably made their own stampers from these existing parts, and simply scratched out the Scranton symbol, then added the rifle (or wineglass to some) symbol prior to making the stampers. There are more titles that this applys to including lot's of Apple reissue (Beatles) 45 from the early 70's. |
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| socorro | Sep 2 2014, 09:38 PM Post #6 |
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OK, I think I get the basic picture. |
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| namralos | Sep 2 2014, 09:42 PM Post #7 |
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Applehound knows his stuff. That is correct. Often the crossing-out occurred between mother and stamper. Mothers cut at Monarch, for example, might be used to make stampers elsewhere. This happened often for Vee Jay. Since Scranton and Winchester were both factories of the same company, it made sense to scratch one out for quality-control purposes. I have copies elsewhere that have Jacksonville symbols crossed out and replaced with Winchester. |
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| eeeeeeow | Sep 4 2014, 08:03 PM Post #8 |
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Thanks for clearing that up, folks. |
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