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| socorro | Jul 26 2014, 04:04 PM Post #1 |
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Hi all, I saw this ebay listing and could not identify it. http://www.ebay.com/itm/THE-BEATLES-HELP-M...=item4ad94e8209 The sleeve is correct and well known to me, but I've never seen this label style. It has a distinctive watermark on both sides and a secondary code BRCOE-30-415/416 in addition to the catalog number 7ID-4102. My gut tells me it is a later reissue swapped into an original sleeve, but any additional input is welcome. |
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| pinio65 | Jul 27 2014, 06:16 AM Post #2 |
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Very strange... I have scans from 1965. https://www.facebook.com/pinio65/photos/a.2...?type=3&theater |
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| yarvelling | Jul 27 2014, 07:58 AM Post #3 |
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A test pressing perhaps? The text has that very 'temporary' style - almost like it's been typed! Just quickly made up for testing purposes only? And what's the triangular stamp on the 'b' side for? I don't speak Portuguese ...! |
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| AurelianDE | Jul 27 2014, 02:56 PM Post #4 |
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It seems to be the stamp of a shop. The words are Divinópolis (left), which is a town in Brazil, Eletro, which is a variant of electrics (right), and Discos (bottom). There's another word I can't make out (inside left), but it sure looks like a retailer's stamp. |
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| namralos | Jul 30 2014, 03:30 PM Post #5 |
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That's a 70's reissue. I usually see it with the 31C (EEC) number. The background shows the Odeon (logo) filling the label. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-TWIST-AND-...=item5667cf99ca I believe that the label style follows the "musical notes" label, but they could have come out at the same time. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-I-WANT-TO-...=item5667cec1e9 The BRCOE number shows up on original labels, too. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BEATLES-HELP-3-TRA...=item3392b21540 |
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| socorro | Jul 30 2014, 06:08 PM Post #6 |
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Thanks, Frank. The presence of the original Brazilian 7ID-xxxx number instead of the EC 31C-xxxxx left open the possibilty in my mind that it wasn't a reissue. I assume this also means that the sleeve is a swap job. I know we've discussed it before, but when did Brazil adopt the EC catalog numbering system? |
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| namralos | Jul 30 2014, 07:48 PM Post #7 |
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The SBTL/SBTX number appears without the 31C (EEC) number all the way through the Apple period. Rock and Roll Music and Love Songs also lack the 31C number. The singles change from other series to 31C in 1978, so it appears that the change happened in early 1978 or late 1977. |
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| Jae | Aug 1 2014, 08:34 AM Post #8 |
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Quote from a post I made elsewhere... "...going back to the standardised numbering system (which was definitely started by EMI Europa, not the EEC or whatever as claimed all over the internet [including here]), I found reference to EMI's attempt at introducing it to it's five* Latin American affiliates. Same goal as in Europe: to synchonise releases and centrally coordinate planning, promotion and merchandising. Transition commenced across the region in 1977 - it was announced in December 1976 by the region's coordinator, David Stockley, after being agreed at EMI's first Latin Convention held at Brazil in August 1976 (as an aside, the 1977 conclave was held at Acapulco - what a life!). At time of announcement, implementation of the coordination plan had already commenced. *Seems only three affiliates adopted the numbering system - I've no evidence that Argentina did (it would arguably have been 30C), and, given there were only four affiliates in Latin America (Argentina, Brazil, Chile and Mexico - the rest were associates), I don't know who the fifth one was! |
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| socorro | Aug 1 2014, 03:10 PM Post #9 |
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Thanks for the clarification, Jae. I am as guilty as anybody of using the EC reference. I didn't realize it was a purely internal EMI initiative. Was adoption of the new numbering system voluntary? |
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| Jae | Aug 2 2014, 03:23 AM Post #10 |
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This thread has a bit of detail on the genesis of the numbering system (the Bovema article plus a few posts by me on the next page or so)... http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...topic=3159&st=0 Extract: Originally, a small department existed within EMI at Hayes that was responsible for keeping an eye on what was happening in the European countries. It became apparent around 1966 that to be fully effective in the region, EMI UK needed a small organisation on the continent. Thus, in 1968, EMI Europa was formed. EMI Europa was primarily created to coordinate the activities of EMI's eight European subsidiaries, viz EMI Electrola (Germany), Pathe Marconi (France), BV Bovema (Holland), EMI Italiana, EMI Odeon (Spain), EMI Records (Switzerland), Oesterreichische Columbia Graphophon (Austria) and EMI Belgium. It was a small department - just 12 people - and provided an advisory and coordinating role, encouraging the mutual exchange of ideas and assisting with common problems across the continent. The department also promoted artists between affiliates (note EMI Europa did NOT get involved in the day-to-day running of the individual companies). EMI Europa was first located at Bovema before moving to the more central Cologne soon after. One of EMI Europa's first initiatives was the creation of a standardised numbering system - a code that indicated the country of origin, price category, and type of record. The system was created by Dr Gerhard Hundertmark (Electrola Cologne). The numbering system was first rolled out to the eight subs at the beginning of 1969, before progressively being adopted throughout Europe and Scandinavia. By 1978, 14 European subsidiaries came under the EMI Europa umbrella (Austria, Belgium, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Holland, Italy, Norway, Portugal, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland). It appears agreement to adopt was reached in each region's relevant EMI Heads get together, but given at least two countries in Latin America didn't adopt, and in Europe it was spasmodically adopted over a 10 year period, I suspect adoption was not enforced. Certainly, EMI Europa had no say over what each EMI sub did and in Latin America is was coordinated by a guy out of Los Angeles. As an aside, somewhere here I have an article covering a "day in the life" of the head of Europa. Interesting stuff. If there's any interest I'll dig it out and post it. |
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| the57thbeatle | Aug 3 2014, 07:09 AM Post #11 |
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When I read the name "Hundertmark" (=Hundred Marks) I couldn't help but think of Mr Smoketoomuch...... :) |
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| socorro | Aug 3 2014, 10:10 AM Post #12 |
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Major Batguano. |
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