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Help! Frankensteins Monster!; A combination of time periods!
Topic Started: May 8 2014, 05:01 PM (308 Views)
rockchef
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Right then... Here's an oddity.

The image shows a typical Beatles' Help! 45.

HOWEVER!!!!

Side 1 has a typical 1st press label with a 'PARLOPHONE' rim and SIUK text.

Side 2 has a 2nd press label with a 'GRAMOPHONE' rim and SIUK text.

But. These two labels have been shoved onto a vinyl 45 which shows it's
manufacture to be 1969 or later. The centre has additional rings and a bubbling
problem typical of that period.

I'm inclined to believe that this adds credence to Henry's suggestion that old labels
were stuck onto later presses to use up old stock.

Am I correct?????? I welcome any thoughts or comments.

(PS. There is a KT tax code in the run off dead wax area and the matrix ends in '2'
both sides.)

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namralos
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This is typical for that particular single. Apparently it took a LONG time for Parlophone to run out of pre-printed labels for "Help!".

The mis-match that late is INTERESTING, though.
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billstiggins
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namralos,May 8 2014
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This is typical for that particular single. Apparently it took a LONG time for Parlophone to run out of pre-printed labels for "Help!".

The mis-match that late is INTERESTING, though.

Agree with this. Also the fact that they were still finding sufficient SiUK labels for *both* sides, possibly well into the 70s.

It does throw up another irritation, of course - the revelation that 'crossover' labels (such as the Parl/Gram rim shown here) may actually be nothing of the sort. They don't necessarily indicate a brief period in time when the label design changed (though that's a possibility); they are just as likely to indicate a longer period of time when a particular type had become exhausted.
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rockchef
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Agreed.

I doubt whether ANY label combination proves there was ever such a variation
actually intended as a 'transition' at the time of its manufacture.

This record certainly isn't...
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muffmasterh
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it is odd to see the Gram rim print label on a late one ( its usually the parl rim oddly enough ) so its quite unusual, ironically the date is actually 1972 for those polo ring jobs 3 years after SIUK had been withdrawn, I have a Lady Madonna like that too...
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rockchef
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Thanks Henry. Yes, I did wonder about the precise date as my World Record box set
has very similar rings and I believe that was released in 1976.

Also... I have a late 60's/70's pressing of the same record and it doesn't have
the SIUK text but does have a Parlophone rim so I'm aware that they used the
same text design/arrangement. I just thought these were old stock with the SIUK
removed... Probably not(?).

PS. Watch out for some more images posted in the 'Your little gems' section of
my LIB 45 collection. After years of collecting I now have the rarer ones.
Piccies will be posted over this weekend...
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muffmasterh
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yes indeed a lot of these variations do defy logic !!
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