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Love Me Do; missing bracket
Topic Started: Feb 3 2014, 10:39 AM (3,786 Views)
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Gizmobob,Feb 24 2014
11:34 PM
I'm curious... the one that has 1/G - JR (ZT) without the tax code embossed on the center pushout, which label does it have based on Spizer's code?

PAR 4949.01A(i): Has the MIGB text, with the indented publishing credits (Ardmore & Beechwood LTD) indented to the right, aligned over the XC of the Matrix No. (7XCE 17144 45). All other pressings have the pub credit left aligned with the matrix number.

The only ones I'm concerned with are the earliest red label LMDs with only ZT in the deadwax.

Upon closer inspection, and comparing with the photos from the book, the label is the .01A(i) version...the publishing credit indented to the right.
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I always wondered what the JR represented. I like to think they stand for Jukebox and Radio, for promo presses.
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Mike,Feb 25 2014
01:38 PM
I always wondered what the JR represented. I like to think they stand for Jukebox and Radio, for promo presses.

I think Journalist Review has also been suggested, if I recall correctly?
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Xex606
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I'm more inclined to think JR stands for jurnalist review.
You beat me to it lol
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Gizmobob,Feb 24 2014
11:34 PM
I'm curious... the one that has 1/G - JR (ZT) without the tax code embossed on the center pushout, which label does it have based on Spizer's code?

PAR 4949.01A(i): Has the MIGB text, with the indented publishing credits (Ardmore & Beechwood LTD) indented to the right, aligned over the XC of the Matrix No. (7XCE 17144 45). All other pressings have the pub credit left aligned with the matrix number.

The only ones I'm concerned with are the earliest red label LMDs with only ZT in the deadwax.

Not sure if you have seen this post from our archives....
http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...?showtopic=1213
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evert180_0,Feb 25 2014
12:11 PM

And here's a ZT 1M / ZT 1A MIBG No embossed tax imprint on label...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THE-BEATLES-1M-1...=item20dee656e5

But not with right-indented publishing credit.
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Just dug out one of my red LMD copies, and the stampers are 1/M 1/A with ZT tax code.
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yes i understood JR to be journalistic review, if this thread proves anything i think it shows how hard it can to know for sure what are the earliest pressings, it looks like the 1G's might not always be the first stamper used but its harder to explain a JR with the so-called later labels.

I've always likened it to two new decks of cards, one deck represents labels the other discs, suffle both decks BADLY, then deal, most of the time you will get ace ace king king queen queen, but then you might get jack four, ten ten, 9, 2 , 3, 8, 7,7 etc etc...if you get my drift, in other words the earliest labels usually turn up with the earliest discs, but not always.....
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Mike,Feb 25 2014
02:48 PM
Just dug out one of my red LMD copies, and the stampers are 1/M 1/A with ZT tax code.


Does that have WOZT embossed on the pushout centre?

Is the Publishing Credit indented further to the right?

Henry: After some extensive research, the only thing certain about the determining the earliest pressing is using the label variations as explained in the Spizer/Daniels Book. The earliest pressings all have the 'indented publishing credit' on the label. The earliest labels all have ZT, and only ZT in the deadwax, as well as WOZT on the pushout. Parlophone didn't care about which Stamper was used with which, this is why the JR stamper was reused with PZT records pressed in December-62. I have researched this extensively and here's what I came up with. The order of which may be up for debate, but I believe that this is the chronological order they appeared in October-62.

A: Deadwax [JR/JR][ZT] Pushout Center [WT]
B: Deadwax [1P/JR][ZT] Pushout Center [WOZT]
C: Deadwax [1P/1G][ZT] Pushout Center [WOZT]
D: Deadwax [1G/1M][ZT] Pushout Center [---]
E: Deadwax [1G/JR][ZT] Pushout Center [---]
F: Deadwax [1P/1A][ZT] Pushout Center [---]
G: Deadwax [1G/1A][ZT] Pushout Center [---]
H: Deadwax [1M/1A][ZT] Pushout Center [---]

I believe that the earliest pressing all have the earliest labels and not the earliest Stampers. This is proven with 1/G and JR Stamped 45 with known later labels and vinyl with PZT and MPZT deadwax codes. The only thing constant is that the earliest labels are all with ZT stamped discs.
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Yes I would agree with the order you've put them in. I think this is the only single we can do this with with any real certainty by the time we get to PPM they are all over the place.
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evert180_0,Feb 25 2014
12:11 PM

Here's one that appears to be a later pressing, has the left aligned pub credits and the pushout has "PT" embossed; making this a late Nov-62 thru Dec-62 pressing. Yet has 1/G - JR Stamper codes. I don't see the "PT" tax code embossed on the pushout, only his description lists this info. Not to mention he has included picture of "Ask Me Why", which we know is not the flip side to LMD.
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http://www.popsike.com/BEATLES-LOVE-ME-DO-...0755397421.html

Here one on popsike says there is no tax code embossed on the centre
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Yes, I have looked closely at that 1G / 1R too. I think he has re-used another listing and forgotten to change the bit about the PT stamp. He sells a lot, as far as I can see buys it all off eBay, often re-selling for a big premium. I don't think he's much of an expert (and repeats that irritating "Silver Text Wording Statement" nonsense every time), but hey, it works for him.
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Have you seen his PPM demo he's no expert.
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Xex606,Feb 25 2014
07:19 PM
http://www.popsike.com/BEATLES-LOVE-ME-DO-...0755397421.html

Here one on popsike says there is no tax code embossed on the centre

Yes, that isn't a first pressing... at least not the earliest label. If you notice, the publishing credit is not indented to the right of the matrix number. Looking the label, that is a second version PAR 4949.01A(ii)... probably early November. At this time they stopped stamping the center for a while. I am creating a spreadsheet with this info to identify what pressings had what stampers and which came earliest. That one was already detailed in the spreadsheet.

What I really need is for you chaps to verify the labels for me with the deadwax info to help put this whole spreadsheet together.

:rolleyes:
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