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Love Me Do; missing bracket
Topic Started: Feb 3 2014, 10:39 AM (3,788 Views)
Gizmobob
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Xex606,Feb 22 2014
06:23 PM
Yes I think in this instance your right. In my experience the WOZT normally turns up on the very first label with the indented publishing credits. But I think as for other singles and albums they don't really tell us anything .

Are you saying that the WOZT pushout has popped up on another single?
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Xex606
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Not on a Beatle single to my knolage
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muffmasterh
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Don't you find it a bit peculiar that no PZT deadwax stamped LMD has a WOZT center? Only the October '62 pressings have them. Why not a '63 pressing? If you constantly keep reiterating that the Center Pushout is random, then why isn't there any pressings with P or M in the deadwax that have W or O in the pushout?


Yes i should say that regardless it is always possible that you may in fact be absolutely right in this instance but my view is that the Tax stamping CAN be so random and misleading it cannot be used with any great deal of certainty about anything. So you may be right but it's hard to prove as you cannot rely on anything stamped in the centre...imho..ps i love your avatar pic ...
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ps..i should add that my ZT LMD ia a 1A 1O has the " small publishing credits " and has ZT on the centre....
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That's one I haven't got!!!
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muffmasterh
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do not feel too bad, i only have two red ones, that and the missing bracket, got 3 black ones though, no SIUK and two of the 3 64's with the SIUK, missing only one of them now....
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Getting off-topic now, but an interesting trend is that several of us own identical pressings and the stampers being quoted here are quite narrow in range. For the A-side, 1G is (relatively) common in combination with others for example. 1A has been mentioned, 1P crops up too on early pressings. No mention of a 1R though, or most of the remaining G R A M O P ... sequence. Were they not used? All my double letter stampers begin either G or R, which would be sequentially correct. Of the 12 copies I have, I find I have 3 with 1RR / 1RG although I have made no conscious effort to collect different stamper letters. Not wanting to sound obsessive, but before I disappear up my own spindle-hole for good, has anyone made a list of known stamper combinations?
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That's the question I've been thinking about where are the other letters in the sequence they should be out there. But the thing that strikes me when we look at say P1/JR it has the early label.now for me that works fine for JR but if we think that 4000 copies can be made from one stamper this implies that we are up to 24000 copies by this point and the early label probably only runs to a couple of thousand so I can only conclude that either they must have damaged a lot of pressing plates before they got to the shop floor or they didn't use the gramophone sequence or if they did G can't be number one(probably get shot at for that).
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F O T H,Feb 23 2014
11:46 AM
Getting off-topic now, but an interesting trend is that several of us own identical pressings and the stampers being quoted here are quite narrow in range. For the A-side, 1G is (relatively) common in combination with others for example. 1A has been mentioned, 1P crops up too on early pressings. No mention of a 1R though, or most of the remaining G R A M O P ... sequence. Were they not used? All my double letter stampers begin either G or R, which would be sequentially correct. Of the 12 copies I have, I find I have 3 with 1RR / 1RG although I have made no conscious effort to collect different stamper letters. Not wanting to sound obsessive, but before I disappear up my own spindle-hole for good, has anyone made a list of known stamper combinations?

From popsike...
All those listed are red-label Parlophone, -1N (Ringo)/-1N matrices. Mothers/stampers shown first, then the tax stamps (cut-out centers first and in parentheses, waxes), WITH or WITHOUT "MADE IN GT." and notes.
1/G and 1/G | PT (PZT) | WITH
1/G and 1/A | ZT | WITH | Factory Sample sticker
1/G and 1/M | ZT | WITH | 2 copies, one a Factory Sample in a Rush sleeve
1/G and 1/O | ? |WITH | 2 copies
1/G and 1/T | ZT | WITH | 2 copies
1/A and 1/O | ZT |WITH | 2 copies
1/M and 1/A | ZT |WITH | 5 copies
1/O and 1/G | PT (PZT) |WITH |2 copies
1/O and 1/O | ZT | WITHOUT | Factory Sample sticker
1/O and 1/O | PT | WITH1/O and 1/T | ZT |WITHOUT | 2 copies
1/P and -/JR | ZT | WITH | note demo stamper for P.S. side
1/P and 1/A | ZT | WITH | 2 copies
1/H and 1/P | ZT | WITHOUT
1/L and 1/L | ZT | WITHOUT | 2 copies
1/T and 1/H | ZT | WITH | 2 copies, one a Factory Sample sticker
1/GG and 1/GO | (MPZT)| WITHOUT | 2 copies
1/GA and ? | PT | WITH | Factory Sample sticker
1/GA and 1/M | ZT/PT (PZT) | WITHOUT | 2 copies, one a Factory Sample, the otherother with right parenthesis on the P.S. I Love You side.
1/GA and 1/T | PT (PZT) | WITHOUT | 2 copies
1/GA and 1/GG | PT (PZT) | WITHOUT | 3 copies
1/GA and 1/GT | ZT (MPZT) | WITH
1/GA and 1/GD | MPZT | WITHOUT
1/GM and 1/M | PT | WITHOUT
1/GM and 1/GR | PT (PZT) | WITHOUT 2 copies
1/GO and 1/GO | PT (MPZT) | WITHOUT | 2 copies, one with the A-side stamper "AD" crossed out for "GO," the other with no right parentheses on the P.S. I Love You side.
1/GH and 1/GT | (MPZT) | WITH
1/GT and 1/GR | (MPZT) | WITHOUT | (fake/ non-period) Factory Sample sticker
1/GD and 1/GA | ZT (MPZT) | WITHOUT |Factory Sample sticker
1/GD and 1/GM | PT (PZT) | WITHOUT
1/RR and 1/RG | PT/MT (MPZT) | WITH | 5 copies--two PT, two MT, one with a FactorySample sticker.
1/RD and 1/GP | MT (MPZT) | WITH
1/AD and 1/GR | ZT |WITHOUT
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there is a caviat here, not withstanding that there could be missing - maybe faulty - stampers - please bare in mind that several pressing machines would be in use at the same time so a 1G could be just as early as a 1p, or in case of a big anticipated seller ( not LMD i admit ) a 2 GR etc etc...this would explain a so-called earlier label on a later stamped disc....
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Just looking at the top of the list 1G/1G had PT on the push out and PZT on the dead wax by way of thinking surely PZT is a transitional code between ZT and PT I would expect to see G1/G1 with a ZT tax stamp in the dead wax surely.
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Wow. If I had known you were going to do that, WB, I could have saved you some heartache and pain. I compiled the same list when Bruce and I were working on the Parlophone book. I kept track of all the label variations along with the stampers and tax codes.

Still, you verified what I observed. By the way, did you notice that some of the transcriptions on popsike were incorrect? [Aside: maybe that was the gold label PPM?]

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muffmasterh,Feb 23 2014
05:29 PM
please bare in mind

I think I might seek a copy of 'the Parlophone book' - where is it available from?. And Henry, I think you mean "bear" - that avatar really has made an impression on you hasn't it?
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F O T H,Feb 23 2014
06:20 PM
muffmasterh,Feb 23 2014
05:29 PM
please bare in mind

I think I might seek a copy of 'the Parlophone book' - where is it available from?. And Henry, I think you mean "bear" - that avatar really has made an impression on you hasn't it?

LMAO... Here you go Henry!

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Bruce sells the Parlophone book; I still haven't made a cent from it!
Bruce's website
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