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Love Me Do; missing bracket
Topic Started: Feb 3 2014, 10:39 AM (3,789 Views)
muffmasterh
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no its not normal but its not unusual either, with all those tax changes in 62/3 no wonder they got a bit schizo lol !!
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namralos
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The centre code isn't actually the "official" one for a single. The official tax code information appears in the matrix. However, they often tried to get the centre plug correct. WOZT probably started with WT, then added the O later, then added the Z later. CONFUSION at its height.
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muffmasterh
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and then sometimes they stuck stamps on lol, I've seen OT ZT PT MT and KT postage stamps on singles and lp sleeves, all apart from OT and ZT i think on Beatles records as well !!!
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The stamps were used when a record got returned, and the tax changed before it went back out. Then they had to indicate that they had paid the correct (new) tax.
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Isn't it safe to assume that only the earliest Beatles pressings have that extremely early WOZT tax embossings? Can someone else confirm that a later, i.e. Nov-62, pressing has WOZT on the pushout? I've only seen it on this very early Oct-62 pressing and the earliest PPM LPs. Has there been any confirmed pressings from after Nov-62 of a LMD single or any other single for that matter with the "W" and "O" embossings?
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F O T H
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I have

1P / JR, ZT in deadwax, WOZT on label (indented)
1P / 1G, ZT in deadwax, WOZT on label (indented)
1G / 1M, ZT in deadwax, nothing on label
1P / 1A, ZT in deadwax, nothing on label
1O / 1G, PZT in deadwax, PT on label

I think that is the order in which they would have come off the press. All double letter stampers I have with PT on the labels. Labels are often stamped incorrectly, often with obsolete codes - I have PT on a red PPM.
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Xex606
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Just to add to the above LMD JR/JR has a WT tax stamp.
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Gizmobob
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Is the "WT" in the Deadwax or the Centre Plug; or both?
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Xex606
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No it's just on the push out centre the deadwax has the normal ZT.
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muffmasterh
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Isn't it safe to assume that only the earliest Beatles pressings have that extremely early WOZT tax embossings?


imho sadly it isn't, its a bit like saying an MT stamped Rubber Soul must be earlier than a KT stamped one. It's all about the pressing machines and the bods who forgot to update them, they could have pressed ZT or PT centred LMD's before switching to that machine that had WOZT left on it.....or even doing them all at the same time, we'll never know, all we do know is, do not trust the tax codes in the centre !
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Gizmobob
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So it looks to me that the earliest pressings are as follows... All of these earliest pressings only have "ZT" in the deadwax (Prior to PZT). If anyone else has something to add... only trying to identify pressings prior to the PZT tax code.

A: Deadwax [JR/JR][ZT] Pushout Center [WT]
B: Deadwax [1P/JR][ZT] Pushout Center [WOZT]
C: Deadwax [1P/1G][ZT] Pushout Center [WOZT]
D: Deadwax [1G/1M][ZT] Pushout Center [---]
E: Deadwax [1P/1G][ZT] Pushout Center [---]
F: Deadwax [1P/1A][ZT] Pushout Center [---]

Thanks,

Bob
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muffmasterh,Feb 22 2014
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Isn't it safe to assume that only the earliest Beatles pressings have that extremely early WOZT tax embossings?


imho sadly it isn't, its a bit like saying an MT stamped Rubber Soul must be earlier than a KT stamped one. It's all about the pressing machines and the bods who forgot to update them, they could have pressed ZT or PT centred LMD's before switching to that machine that had WOZT left on it.....or even doing them all at the same time, we'll never know, all we do know is, do not trust the tax codes in the centre !

I'm not saying that I trust the tax code in the center for dating purposes... I'm trying to identify the different pressings prior to the PZT tax code. basically, the ZT tax code pressings from Oct-'62. F O T M has confirmed two of my earliest pressings and Xex606 also added some good info. What "ZT" LMDs do you have?
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Xex606
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Yes I would agree the tax codes stamped on the centres aren't that important when it comes to dateing a pressing.
They can be quite misleading.
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Don't you find it a bit peculiar that no PZT deadwax stamped LMD has a WOZT center? Only the October '62 pressings have them. Why not a '63 pressing? If you constantly keep reiterating that the Center Pushout is random, then why isn't there any pressings with P or M in the deadwax that have W or O in the pushout?
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Xex606
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Yes I think in this instance your right. In my experience the WOZT normally turns up on the very first label with the indented publishing credits. But I think as for other singles and albums they don't really tell us anything .
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