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Love Me Do; missing bracket
Topic Started: Feb 3 2014, 10:39 AM (3,780 Views)
evert180_0
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could somebody give me more information on the love me do red label with the missing bracket on side 2

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/The-Beatles-Love...=p2047675.l2557

how early was this copy?was it before the made in GB copies.does it have ringo on drums or tambourine?are there more than one as I've noticed some with pt tax stamps and some without and some with mpzt in run out and others with just pzt.

I have a copy with pt stamp and pzt in the run out and GM / GR stampers.How early is this copy?

any help is appreciated.
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warmbuddy
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Again, lots of information and the answer to your questions from our fellow members here in the archives...

http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...hp?showtopic=30

...Mark
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muffmasterh
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the truth is there is a lot of hoo haa talked about earliest labels etc etc when the fact is it is not altogether very clear, there have been 1G 1G copies in supposedly later labels....so I don't think there is any idea about the missing bracket....however you do not see them much i know that !!
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namralos
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1st pressing -- indented pub credits and MIGB.
2nd-3rd pressings have the author credits properly centered and MIGB.
I believe the missing ) copies came next, as the first of the "no MIGB" copies.
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warmbuddy
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Regarding Ringo drumming...all the red label copies of Love Me Do are -1N and all my copies of Love Me Do with the next, and most common label, throughout the 60's are also -1N. I have all the label variations and the matrix is unchanged...the Andy White drumming is not on any of them.
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muffmasterh
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thats my experience too.....what are the 70's pressings though ?
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warmbuddy
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Henry...I don't have anything from the 70's myself, but again, I refer back to our earlier discussions on the topic...

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ztox april 16, 2008 Great information to have on the black LMD pressings! I've never seen one older than about 1964 (SIUK + the usual rim print), but every black-label '60s pressing I've seen or seen for sale has been the Ringo version, -1N. I do wonder when and why the fiction about the Andy White version replacing the Ringo on 45 rpm began. Most sources claim that ALL black-label copies are -2N, beginning with the earliest, 45-R 4949. The earliest U.K. single of -2N I've ever had has been 70s, with the EMI label. The earliest international version I have of -2N is the original 1964 Australian pressings, with the rare "Love Me, Do" punctuation.[\QUOTE]

As I said, I have all label variations known to date for the 60's black label, and I can concur with Bill (ztox).
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The earliest U.K. single of -2N I've ever had has been 70s, with the EMI label.


aha thats answered my question !!
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joto1989
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According to Record Collector Research on the Red Label pressings they concluded that 'Love Me Do' was actually the first of the red labels that started to omit the 'Made in Gt.Britain' text and that they were probably released simultaneously, and that all subsequent pressings after LMD were released with or without this text. I assume then what they mean is everything before R 4949 had 'Made in Gt.Britain'
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namralos
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The folks at Record Collector are simply wrong.

Bruce and I checked matrix numbers for every copy available. Those without MIGB are slightly later. They're from 1962, but they're not from October, 1962.

We also found singles after LMD that have MIGB on their first pressings.

The omission of MIGB came only on a particular batch of singles at the end of 1962 to March, 1963. The print returned in 1963 when they got in another batch of new labels.

1. With MIGB -- indented pub credits
2a-2b. With MIGB -- author credit centered; 2 different placements
1-2 came out in October and November, 1962.
3. Without MIGB -- missing )
4a.-4b. Without MIGB -- author credit not centered properly; 2 different placements
These came out between December, 1962, and March, 1963. Some have PZT tax code; others have MPZT tax code.
5a-5b. With MIGB -- author credit not centered; 2 different placements.
These came out in the second quarter of 1963.
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muffmasterh
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won't be the first time RC got it wrong....
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My earliest LMD red label was reportedly purchased on the very first day of release, Oct. 5th, 1962 and has ZT 1/P on side-1, and ZT 1/G on side 2 deadwax. The odd thing is that the push out has WOZT tax codes embossed on the side-2 centre. It's the only one that I own with such early tax codes and has the earliest reported "indented publishing" labels. Spizer/Daniels code is PAR 4949.01(i).

My next earliest example has ZT in the deadwax with 1/G on Side-1 and 1/M on side-2 with the label identified in the Spizer/Daniels book as PAR 4949.01A(ii). But unlike the previously described record, this one does not have any embossed tax codes on the centre push-out on either side.

When did they drop the WOZT and go with the more familiar PZT and MPZT? Also, is it common to come across a LMD without a Tax Code embossed on the centre push-out?
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muffmasterh
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no point in using tax codes to date a pressing as they are a mess, too many un-updated pressing machines stamping out old tax codes.....I think the correct code for LMD was PT ?? somebody can put me right on that.

Some tax codes are missing or at least cannot be spotted, FMTY and SLY are well know for many to appear not have tax codes in the centre, but they tend to be of one lable type and the centre often appears textured...my guess is that the tax just didn't come out for some reason on some of those labels....this may apply to some LMD's and PPM's where the centres can appear almost textured, certainly creased...
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ZT was original -- until November 26th.
Then PT through the end of 1962.
Then MT.
Then KT in July, 1963.

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namralos,Feb 14 2014
04:37 PM
ZT was original -- until November 26th.
Then PT through the end of 1962.
Then MT.
Then KT in July, 1963.

Is it normal that my earliest LMD has WOZT in the centre?
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