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| pinio65 | Jan 16 2014, 03:58 AM Post #1 |
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I hear about (Switzerland issue) for the first time. 1967 LP: And Now: The Beatles S R International 73 735 [Stereo] Switzerland The Beatles Note: Austro Mechana at label (not GEMA like German issue) Tracks: A1 - She Loves You A2 - Thank You Girl A3 - From Me To You A4 - I'll Get You A5 - I Want To Hold Your Hand A6 - Hold Me Tight B1 - Can't Buy Me Love B2 - You Can't To That B3 - Roll Over Beethoven B4 - Til There Was You B5 - Money B6 - Please Mister Postman http://www.vinylhound.ch/beatles1.html |
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| namralos | Jan 16 2014, 06:38 PM Post #2 |
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Is that Swiss or Austrian? check here |
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| servi | Jan 16 2014, 08:05 PM Post #3 |
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Apparantely this exists as Austrian and Swiss pressing. The latter has "Made in Switzerland" stamped in the matrix, but has the Austro Mechana label. See here: http://collectorsfrenzy.com/details/290934..._Switzerland_EX Also mentioned on the Ex libris website. Parlogram sold those some months ago.... |
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| servi | Jan 16 2014, 08:21 PM Post #4 |
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Here is a strange one. Side 1 is German, side 2 is Austro Mechana. So these were probably pressed in Germany as export pressings for Austria, rather than true Austrian pressings. Hence the Austo Mechana text, which is the Austrian equivalent of GEMA. Why Switzerland pressed copies (assuming they did), is a mystery. Or were these some sort of contract pressings (similar to "Manufactured in Germany" matrix markings on Teldec contract pressings) ? |
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| namralos | Jan 17 2014, 12:13 AM Post #5 |
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That "Made in Switzerland" copy is strange. The label still says "Made in Germany." Maybe all of the labels were sent out from Germany. Now I need to see if there are different stampers on the Austrian copies! |
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| servi | Jan 17 2014, 03:34 PM Post #6 |
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Probably the Swiss, German and "Austrian" copies were pressed from the same matrix. The "Austrian" copies are probably pressed in Germany, given the misprint mentioned above and the fact that they have identical small ring near the center hole as the German copies: Posted Image Posted Image |
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| socorro | Jan 17 2014, 04:09 PM Post #7 |
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I saw that mutant copy that Parlogram sold last year. I feared that the price would soar, and it did. Assuming the "Made in Switzerland" statement stamped into the matrix is accurate, this is the only Beatles record I know of that was actually made in Switzerland. I only question its accuracy because it is so strange, but no stranger than LPs from Bolivia, Costa Rica and Barbados, I suppose. |
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| namralos | Jan 17 2014, 04:26 PM Post #8 |
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Not all German copies have the additional pressing ring. I wonder who pressed their records. I know that Teldec pressed the records (like Rolling Stones in Action) that were Decca releases. But the additional small pressing ring is not something associated with Odeon LP's. Posted Image |
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| AurelianDE | Jan 17 2014, 06:12 PM Post #9 |
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Some of the German 'special issues' (book clubs etc.) were contract pressings made by Carl Lindström GmbH. That's usually mentioned on the label and doesn't seem to be the case here. It seems that Lindström records had a single pressing ring (I've seen pictures only). There is at least one Beatles single that also has the 'Made in Switzerland' in the trail-off. I've tried to find the source for that information (saw it quite recently) but was not successful. I know for sure that I saw it because I didn't believe it at the time. I was convinced that no records were actually made in (and not for) Switzerland. That's not true, however. Swiss records were made by Turicaphon AG at Riedikon. Turicaphon was a domestic label and had the only pressing facility in CH. They stopped making vinyl records in 1991 but continue on a very small basis as a CD label until now. According to what they say in their company's history, they used to press 4 million records a year during their best period, but 90 % were contract pressings for larger labels. They explicitly mention EMI, Polydor, and the Swiss Ex Libris club/retail chain. Swiss-made AND NOW copies, as shown in pictures, have one pressing ring only. It's my guess that they used German mothers or masters and added the 'Made in' statement to the stampers. It's in a different font and closer to the label than the regular matrix information. The 12 PAL 2999 SM master information on the label is the same for German and Swiss copies as well as for copies made for Austria. |
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| servi | Jan 17 2014, 09:12 PM Post #10 |
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There's a whole bunch of 1960s Columbia singles, EPs and LPs pressed in Switzerland, by groups such as Les Sauterelles and The Dynamites and also VA compilation releases (see discogs and 45cat for example). It is remarkable that the Columbia singles have release numbers that are reminiscent of the "international numbers" (ZTOX, ASDW etc.) we discussed in the other thread: SCMZ 3XXX. Just coincidence ? Apparentely Odeon was not represented and had to be imported. EMI's Switzerland branch was near Zürich, in Zug. Posted Image Indeed, not all version of "And now" have the additional pressing ring. Below is a first pressing (with old copyright text) that doesn't have it either. And I've never seen "The World's best" on SR International with the inner pressing ring. Posted Image Here is a Austro Mechana version with 2 dots near the center. May help in identifying the pressing plant, if someone recognizes this from other LPs. Posted Image |
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| AurelianDE | Jan 18 2014, 03:06 AM Post #11 |
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servi, I'm afraid your first and third links don't work. BTW, if the copy with the old copyright text is your own: could you confirm that the matrix is 2999 SM, like the others, and not 2999 ST, as the label says? Hypothesis is that the first labels were printed earlier and that the records with both labels are the same. That would place the first batch in June '64 (although some sources say April) and the second batch in July (although some sources say June). It would be reasonable to assume that the Austrian and Swiss editions were prepared at roughly the same time or perhaps a very short time after the labels were changed. Has anybody got a German second-style label ('Urheber-...'), other than Beatles, that can be reliably dated before July (say, an SMO before 74 161)? |
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| pinio65 | Jan 18 2014, 04:51 AM Post #12 |
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http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=5247597 http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=4657011 http://www.discogs.com/viewimages?release=1817991 |
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| pinio65 | Jan 18 2014, 05:04 AM Post #13 |
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I hear about (Switzerland issue) for the first time. 1967 LP: And Now: The Beatles S R International 73 735 [Stereo] Switzerland The Beatles Note: Austro Mechana at label (not GEMA like German issue) Reissue. I never seen first 1966 issue. |
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| AurelianDE | Jan 18 2014, 05:57 AM Post #14 |
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Surprise, surprise -- servi's third link works. Sorry, there's a misleading typo above. First batch of what I believe was one release: June '66 (not '64, of course). Second set of labels employed (NO reissue of the record itself): July '66. Austrian copies made at the same time or immediately after. Swiss pressing the same. All labels, except the first batch, have 'Made in Germany', including the Swiss-made copies. All matrices have the PAL 2999 SM, not ST, including those with the first ST label. That would imply: no first-style labels found with Austro Mechana. No second-style labels found on any German records pre-dating July '66. I still don't have some of the essential discographies you all seem to have, so I have to rely on educated guesses. Any evidence that would suggest different dates? PS.: pinio, I saw the discogs information, but all release dates there are given without a source or evidence. They are not necessarily reliable. |
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| servi | Jan 18 2014, 11:08 AM Post #15 |
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"Austrian" pressings were made at the same time as the German 2nd pressings with the extra (small) ring. The mispressing that has GEMA on side 1 and Austro Mechana on side 2 shows that. German 2nd pressings without the ring (as shown in Frank's post) could have been pressed at a different time or at the same time, we don't know that for sure. Idem for "Made in Switzerland" pressings. There may have been multiple pressing runs for the German version, similar to other German Sonderauflage/club pressings. Some pressings of the "2nd version" of World's best may be as late as 1968-1969. Why ? Because of the ring that surfaces around that period (see below next quote). The Watzek book does not have these details and it only lists 2 German (1st and 2nd press) and 1 Austrian version. Don't know about the Help book, maybe someone who has that book can look it up...
That is what I thought as well initially, but after checking some of my German pressings it turns out that several Odeon releases do have the ring. Same for The World's best copies which also have the "dots". Above I made a wrong assumption about World's best, but now found that 2 of my copies have the ring! Thus, EMI Electrola pressed the Austro Mechana copies. Where the Swiss ones were pressed is yet unclear. Here's some "ring" examples: Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image Posted Image |
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