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The Circled P ?
Topic Started: Nov 2 2013, 02:07 PM (378 Views)
joto1989
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I was trying to determine when the circled P 1965 was introduced, We know 'I Feel Fine' had a recording first published 1964 text which was released Nov 1964 and 'Ticket to Ride was the first to have the circled P 1965 released Apr 1965, so does anyone know which EMI release had the first P 1965 release (catalogue No). ???
It must have been some time between Nov and Apr R5200 and R5265.
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pvedsted
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I checked on 45cat.com and the earliest I can find there is Parlophone R5224 - Kenny and the Wranglers Somebody help me.

Hope that helps


Preben Vedsted
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muffmasterh
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Emi finished the recording first published text and replaced it with a (p) in January 1965. There are LP's from Jamuary 1965 that have Recording first published 1965, i have a Rolf Harris LP and i think Cilla's first Lp is the same too from memory, that helps us to date the change. Both LP's date Jan 1965.

So Feb 65 onwards come the (p)

Decca probably did the same, Pye maybe a little later but Philips kept the Rec first published well into 1966....
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Now, wait. The LP's might have come out in January, 1965, but if the label copy was made in December, 1964, then Parlophone ordered the change at the end of 1964.
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Now, wait. The LP's might have come out in January, 1965, but if the label copy was made in December, 1964, then Parlophone ordered the change at the end of 1964.


That of course is almost certainly true but that doesn't change the " de facto " date for arrival of the change as february 1965 imho.

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joto1989
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Thanks fellas, so for the sake of our singles, Preben did it have a release date for R 5224 - Kenny and the wranglers , if we can determine that release date it will more accurately determine the change.
My main reason for bringing this up was for the 'Twist and Shout EP' which has the (P) 1963 BUT with still the Parlophone rim Correct Do you want to know a secret spelling, this always is classed as a 1964 pressing but it can't be can it. Also Gramophone rims were not too far behind so this has to be a '65' pressing , would you all agree ?
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I would normally agree except that singles and EP's had old stock to use up and they had blanks with just the rim text and Parl logo which they over printed on should it could be a bit later.... ,

the (p) change is Jan 65 but the gram rim change is mid 65 for LP's and even later for singles and EP's ( and even later if old stock were used like on Long Tall Sally sadly its not always an exact science ).

There is a known stereo AHDN LP that has (p) 1964 but still has Parlophone co rim text !!
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joto1989
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It seems R 5224 Kenny and the Wranglers WAS the first to have the circled (P)
and that release date was Jan 1965 , and the Last - recording first published I can find was The George Martin Orchestra R5222 which is also released Jan 1965 , so the changeover was definately mid Jan 1965.
Incidentally I cannot find R5223 ?
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I have only seen R-5223 as an Irish pressing. The record charted in the Top Ten in Ireland. Could exist as a British pressing, I don't know. The Irish pressing has "Recording first published," but Irish Parlo didn't get rid of RFP in '65.

I have only seen Cilla Black's single R-5225 (British) with the (p). That single was released on 08 January 1965 -- the same release date as the George Martin single.




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it could be that the (p) arrives earlier on singles than the LP's.....albiet only a few weeks and probably is a result of what you said Frank about the when the type set was changed at the printers and when the record was actually finally released. The change was likely ordered in late 1964 to start Jan 1 1965 but some 65 LP's labels had already been printed with rec first published, the logical assumption would be that an LP's labels were required/produced in advance of a single's label so you still get rec first published 1965 LP's but never on an EMI single...a single from recording to disc could obviosly be produced far quicker than any Lp

There are other examples for these kind of anomalies, Gramophone co rims for example arrive in mid 65 and are pretty much universal on LP's, but parl rims are used on some new singles as late as Dec 65, so it looks like there were single blanks with the parl rims still to be used up by certain printers, its supposition but very possible that each different label font was produced by a different printer and so some printers ran out of rim text blanks ( or junked them on the change ) and others, or maybe one other, did not.....

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The George Martin single has recording first published 1965 and states a jan 65 release date so it seems pretty definative as to when they switched to (P) 1965 so soon after.
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Not wishing to throw too big-a 'Spaniard in the works' ( :P ), this site has an interesting article which shows that the circled 'p' just may have crept onto Parlophone rimmed LP's at the end of 1964:

http://thebeatles-collection.com/wordpress...phone-cpcs-101/

Unless he has his info wrong, that then must indicate that the circled 'P' was being introduced just before Jan '65.
I don't recall ever seeing a Parlophone rim/circled 'P' label before.....
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Except that Something New came out in July of 1965.

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I don't recall ever seeing a Parlophone rim/circled 'P' label before.....


and there is a stereo labelled variant AHDN dating from early 65 which has parlophone rims and (p) 1964

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