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| TheItalianFab4 | Aug 23 2012, 09:34 AM Post #16 |
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I remember a Greek seller on Ebay that put it for €6000 even though the item was completey torn.... |
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| muffmasterh | Aug 23 2012, 10:23 AM Post #17 |
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whats the sp on the UK sleeves, did it have a special sticker or something?? |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Aug 23 2012, 05:45 PM Post #18 |
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As I know there are no stickers....so I don't know how these sleeves could be faked.... |
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| socorro | Aug 23 2012, 09:28 PM Post #19 |
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Ever since I learned that the first 500 PPM in Australia were sold in UK black-print covers, I wondered how you could distinguish an early UK cover that stayed put, and an early UK cover that was sent to Australia. I admit that I'm quite curious, but hesitate to ask Jae on this forum. I'd rather the counterfeiters not get their hands on the secret formula. Also, during one of my tours of the internet sewer in a glass-bottomed boat, I'm pretty sure I saw a label scan of a Thai Parlophone Rubber Soul, but I foolishly neglected to bookmark it, and have never found it again. |
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| Easy-E | Aug 23 2012, 11:46 PM Post #20 |
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The first 500 covers would most likely be the 'gold' ones with the Angus credit aligned with 'songs' - the sellers who swap them over from a buggered blue text Aust one, to a UK one, would most likely make the mistake of putting them in a regular 3 flip UK sleeve. |
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| muffmasterh | Aug 24 2012, 12:34 AM Post #21 |
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Actually Evan if this LP wasn't released in Aus until October 1963 my guess would be a non gold sleeve....in fact it could even be garrod and lofthouse.... so what is to stop anybody putting an Aus vinyl in the UK sleeve, is it simply just about knowing the correct one or did EMI UK print special covers for Aus ? ( which I doubt ) |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Aug 24 2012, 07:28 AM Post #22 |
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I honestly believe that you're right, Henry....I think it could be easly some kind of swap made by the people. |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Aug 24 2012, 07:32 AM Post #23 |
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I would add to this list the Odeon YS (PPCS 7070) whcih was pressed in very tiny numbers to be distributed in Portugal (as many say)....I belive this lp was exported to Malta instead.... |
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| Easy-E | Aug 24 2012, 09:37 AM Post #24 |
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Oooh you're right - then your senario could easily pan out - what is to stop someone doing that? |
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| muffmasterh | Aug 24 2012, 06:06 PM Post #25 |
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from what I have read ( although thats a dangerous assumption I agree ) I understand it's the label thats one of 500, has made in aus for parlophone or something...nothing to do with the UK sleeve...but hey I know nothing about non UK pressings its just what i read.... |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Aug 24 2012, 06:17 PM Post #26 |
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Now I remember everything well....so.... Very 1st sleeves were made in UK while later ones were made in Australia, there was some kind of statement on them, I think....then, there's not a big difference in value between Uk and Aus. made covers. PPM was not released in Australia as an lp until Octobewr 1963. At this time there was a statement on the label that read: "Made in Australia for the Parlophone Co., Ltd. Sydney, N.S.W." |
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| Jae | Aug 25 2012, 06:23 AM Post #27 |
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It's assumptions and guesses like some of those above that trip up the "fakers", too. EMI Australia imported a batch of 500 UK-made sleeves. Nothing unique or special, just standard UK sleeves; something they often did with unknown or low selling acts. However, given there were two or three UK sleeve variations back then (let alone random later sleeves that are also seen), the "faker" first has to guess which one we got. We released the LP in October, true, but...did we get the sleeves then, or did we get the sleeves back in, say, April? Or did we get two batches? Did we get paper inner sleeves too? Or did we... Then there's the label. It's not as simple as finding any ol' "Parlophone Co" Gold label. There were at least seven minor label layout variations just with this style, let alone the second Gold label style (which, laughably, I've seen passed off as a first 500 on more than one occasion, always from UK sellers). And remember that the "Parlophone Co" label existed beyond the use of the UK sleeves. So many of those label variations came after the UK sleeves were used up. And for a seller to fake a first 500, it's just quite likely that they are using a label variation that came in an Aussie sleeve, thus one of the later ones. Instant fail. Besides, if a seller had a true first 500 label, chances are they still have the UK sleeve with it, so what's to fake? (perhaps just a like-for-like sleeve swap maybe). Admittedly, most people wouldn't be able to tell, but knowing the key (and let's be honest, it's not some super secret code by any means, I just won't be divulging it for reasons that Socorro touched on) will at least weed out the blatantly obvious fakes and leave the true collector with much greater certainty and confidence. I'll leave it at that. |
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| socorro | Aug 27 2012, 06:50 AM Post #28 |
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I think I missed out on an opportunity to get a first 500 black print PPM about 6 months back. An ordinary Joe (not a profesisonal record dealer) was listing a bunch of really nice Australian LPs, including a B&G PPM. Another bidder asked what color the back print was, and the seller said black. If the seller was a record dealer, I would have been fairly suspicious. However, I bought some of the other LPs he listed, and they were spot on and dirt cheap. There is a better than 50-50 chance that some lucky devil walked away with the most sought after OZ LP for just under $100. He was pretty clearly getting rid of some of granny's old stuff, and didn't post scans of the back cover or labels. At least I got some really nice banner stereo copies of PPM and WTB with correct stickered sleeves, and a b&y mono Greatest Hits Vol. 1 (for about $30 apiece, if memory serves). I asked him about the label styles, so I wasn't going in totally blind. |
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| dawkie | Aug 28 2012, 09:20 PM Post #29 |
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Hi all! Here appears a more interesting lot... http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Huge-beatles-vin...=item2321a5fde8[/URL] One or two decent items! |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Feb 16 2013, 01:10 PM Post #30 |
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I have the proof that this never even surfaced the Italian market: I knew it form a man who got the very 1st edition in mono (PMCQ 31507) the 1st day it was in the shops and he's 100% sure he has never seen the Aiuto! album on red label. He's got all the Parlophon albums both on black and red label so he knows what he's stating. |
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