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| Mint Or Near Mint?; IMHO it is not true.... | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 22 2012, 04:10 PM (737 Views) | |
| TheItalianFab4 | Apr 22 2012, 04:10 PM Post #1 |
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Talking about Beatles lps it's quite strange to say that an lp is in MINT condition, unless it is sealed.... But I can see that many sellers do so.... |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Apr 24 2012, 01:08 PM Post #2 |
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And sometimes sellers seem to confuse a full exc. with a mint.... |
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| muffmasterh | Apr 24 2012, 01:21 PM Post #3 |
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You are absolutely right, everybody seems to grade up so you have to go with the flow a bit. However in my opinion nothing is mint but you can have " mint " or as close to mint as you can find is something that to me looks like would have done when for sale new in the record store. Now this allows for some play on the sleeves as, especially in the 70's , something could be less than mint even when new, just due to shop soiling. Discs if they have no evidence of play can be described as near mint, some fine bag removals are allowed if only visable under a bright halogen lamp. So I prefer the term near mint to grade something that really is superb looking, EX to EX plus can also be superb looking but may have more evidence of handling.... But you are right nothing is really ever truely mint |
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| jimboo | Apr 24 2012, 07:27 PM Post #4 |
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"is in MINT condition, unless it is sealed...." And have discussed elsewhere, sealed LP's may be hiding a lot of damage, some residue from the drilled hole could be floating about inside for 40 years or so. Also I never bought sealed LP's in the 60's because they weren't sealed in the shops I went to. Records were kept behind the counter and the sleeves on the shop floor were empty. |
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| muffmasterh | Apr 24 2012, 08:36 PM Post #5 |
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Thats right, shrinkwrapping didn't really take off in the UK until the 70's although there are some produced from the late sixties But mostly shops had the sleeves out in the racks and the vinyls behind the counter. Some shops used the sleeves as a buying tool, so they took the sleeve and gave you a fresh copy with the disc in it ( this is were the shrinkwrapping could come in ), others just took the sleeve to the counter and they put the vinyl in it and hey presto ! That was the norm as I recall but it did depend on the retailer. And that was pretty much it until the late 70's maybe even early 80's.... |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Dec 27 2012, 11:21 AM Post #6 |
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I can confirm that in my opinion mint labels do exist: in fact I've got 3 lps (Beatles 65, MTB and my Italian copy on Parlophon labels BFS) that are so. For the lp itself I'd say that these 3 I'd listed are actually mint but I suspect there must be at least a little mark or scuff and therefore I'll say these are in excellent condition. For covers and inners minters do not exist: most of these could have a light disc impression. |
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| joto1989 | Dec 27 2012, 12:11 PM Post #7 |
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I think really after 50 years of these records being in existance is ' All we can do is to try and find the best copy we can' try to upgrade when we can and hope for the best. I do know of some collectors who will ONLY collect true mint copies but this will take you forever and cost you a fortune. when I look at how many variations I have in my collection. If I'd passed on some rarities I'd picked up I would never have as many as I do. But saying that I will pass on something that I think Isnt good enough. |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Dec 27 2012, 01:03 PM Post #8 |
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Yep, sure....for rarities I'd accept any condition more or less.... |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Dec 29 2012, 11:51 AM Post #9 |
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Would you accept rarities even though these wouldn't be in perfect condition? |
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| muffmasterh | Dec 29 2012, 12:24 PM Post #10 |
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not usually no, I'd spend the rest of my life trying to upgrade them to a more acceptable condition, generally I would not plan to keep anything below VG+/EX- |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Jan 23 2013, 09:38 PM Post #11 |
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Of course any vinyl disc will not play truly in a mint way....I think there always be (during the pauses and quiet passages) at least a little amount of noise as well as clicks. Am I right? |
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| muffmasterh | Jan 23 2013, 10:10 PM Post #12 |
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yes even a previous unplayed disc will have the odd crackle and click.... after the 73 oil crisis they often came with a lot of horrible background too - the amount of times I used to take discs back ;-( And the other thing was that record companies randomly play tested discs....as far as I know these copies were still passed to retailers so you could in theory buy an unplayed copy that had actually already been played !!! This is where those " E " stickers come in..... |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Jan 24 2013, 04:31 PM Post #13 |
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Another consideration: if there's a record that plays fine, with a little amount of noise and has a lot of scratches that cannot be seen in day light to me it would still be an excellent record. When we have a record whose scartches can be seen easily in day light that's a very good copy. Do you differ in opinion? |
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| muffmasterh | Jan 24 2013, 05:19 PM Post #14 |
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personally i think we have to differentiate from visual grading and play grading, the two can be very different |
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| warmbuddy | Jan 24 2013, 05:42 PM Post #15 |
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Exactly Henry...two different things entirely. I've often been amazed how a visual grading does not reflect the play grading. This has been especially true for the 60's UK Parlophone and Decca pressings that I have in my collection - thicker vinyl and deep cut grooves I suppose? - where obvious scratches and scuffs are not audible. On the other hand, I've had vinyl that looked smashing visually but played rather poorly - I'm sure we've all experienced these inconsistentsies. |
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