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Hey Jude / Revolution; Apple R 5722
Topic Started: Mar 22 2010, 08:27 AM (8,440 Views)
Garfield
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muffmasterh,Jan 12 2012
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I just received today what I thought would be a PYE solid.....I now think it is a POLYDOR/PHILIPS SOLID...in fact I am sure of it....and I never knew they existed.....

label wise it is very similar to the very first label posted on this thread which up until I had assumed was CBS.

However anybody familar with Philips/Polydor records will know that the vinyl is very different and unique, it has a different lustre and the vinyls are thinner, this applies to bith Phillips/Polydors Solis and push outs...the vinyl appears the same.

Needless to say the vinyl on this copy is the same as my Philips push out

I'm sorry if this has been raised before but I really had no idea these Philips solids existed for Hey Jude but since they exist for both CBS and PYE maybe its not such a surprise......

Anybody else got one ???

very interesting, but could you please post some good quality pictures ????
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I will try but they will be dissapointing I am afraid .... it looks like a PYE solid from the front except the labels are textured like CBS.

I suspect it will look similar to the very first picture published on this link, judging by the description, I suspect that also to be a solid philips now too...

The centre ridge is smaller than usual, again like the pye, but its the vinyl that gives it away really which I obviously cannot reproduce in a scan....
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A Pye pressing will have the Pye stamper code at 3 o'clock. This stamper code is a letter of the alphabet. If your record has no alphabetic stamper code on either side, it is not a Pye pressing.
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I am 99.99 percent certain it is a Solid Philips, I can just tell from the vinyl

It has two numbers, a " 1 " on one side, and what looks like a 3 5 or 8 on the other.

Its certainly not a PYE, the vinyls on Pyes have " knife " or tapered edges, as do CBS. This copy hasn't a flat edge but not like EMI or Decca but more like with rounded edge to it...basically the same as a Philips / Polydor..and the vinyl is thin

I'll try a scan but I'm not hopeful.....
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The "knife-edge" thing is not universal. The way to tell a Pye is by the letter code. If your copy has numbers on both sides (9 and 3) and on both sides (HJ and Revolution), it's not a Pye.

There could be solid Philips singles out there; they've never been verified, but that doesn't mean they do not exist.
Wish I could see it.


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This is it Frank I am certain, I KNOW a philips, its the vinyl thats the give away, thin, odd lustre, its the FEEL..

anyway these pics are not going to Help they could be PYE's or CBS's from the scans but I knew it was neither as soon as I saw it !!

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The B side has a 1 and then a 5 but the numbers are not opposite each other like EMI's more like at 5 before 12 then 5 after 12 on a clock, so very close but not next to each other.

KT in the run outs too...
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We also need 57thBeatle to check the one he originally posted, although the centre seems slighly different I suspect that his is one too....Pressings do vary slightly sometimes...
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muffmasterh,Jan 12 2012
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We also need 57thBeatle to check the one he originally posted, although the centre seems slighly different I suspect that his is one too....Pressings do vary slightly sometimes...

The first scans in this thread from the 57th Beatle are CBS, this one has a nearly similar rough texture, but CBS hasn't the double-centre-ring, so it may be a Phillips. Anyone has a solid centre Phillips issue from other artists end 60s pressing to verify?
And it's not Pye I think.

Just compared the picture with my Phillips push-out, and I'm 100% sure that Muffmasterh is right, it's a solid centre Phillips !!!!
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Thanks Garfield hopefully if there are any doubts this picture will resolve them.

Although its not a great picture you can see from the angle the raised centre and the slightly smaller centre rings. This is pretty much a give away for Philips/Polydor solids of this period.

In actual fact it may be more accurate to call these Polydors as opposed to Philips. By 1968 Philips had more or less ditched the tri pronged centres in favour of centre less Juke box issues. Polydor also had the Juke boxe issues but also still issued tri-pronged and solids. But the Polydor solids are much rarer for this period, they were all but gone by 68 which may explain why this pressing has never been properly identified before. Its a rarity with a rarity...and I aint selling lol !!

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I am now confident to take on any remaining doubters.....
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The scan in the post timed 07:54 PM is definitely a CBS pressing.

Matt finish label.
Additional "ridging" around the edge of the label.
Very clear on both sides...an excellent example.

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Sorry Frank its not, I appreciate that you can't see it but if you could see the vinyl you would understand. CBS's also had a knife edge this does not, if you were to hold a CBS in your hand and this one you could see how different they are. CBS's are also much chunkier, this is flimsey, it looks exactly the same as a push out Philips. The only similarity it has with the CBS is the texturing of the labels

Does anybody know of there are set stamper codes for CBS to put this to bed...
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for what its worth my CBS HJ has a single stamper number, 4 on both sides my CBS My Sweet Lord also has a single number both sides, this time a 6.

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I have two CBS solid centers:
both copies have #6 on the A-side wax, and #1 on the B-side. Both have KT in the wax, too. (One of them is the one pictured in the first post in this thread).
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The raised centre DOES make me think of Philips, but the outer rim of both labels and matte labels resemble a CBS.
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I did say my initial picture of the labels would probably not help much as the texturing resembles CBS, thats why I took the other one to show the " bump " sadly I'm the only one who can see the actual vinyl and thats the give away.

Polydor label pressings from this period also seem to have shiny push out labels yet textured solids and I have no idea why that would be or if that has any relevance anyway.

Thanks 57th I wasn't sure if your first pictured CBS might actually be a philips but if you have two CBS's then you will be able to tell that they are the same weight and feel and have the " knife edge " to them.

I've been looking at some of my solid CBS and PYE singles from this period and there is one hell of a cross over. I have PYE labels that look like they were pressed by CBS and CBS's that look like they were pressed by PYE...its very messy, it looks like those companies were sharing pressing plants 1969-71 but only for solids, either that or they were doing a lot of contract pressings for each other... not helpful at all...
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