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With The Beatles Matrices; Why so many matrix numbers?
Topic Started: Mar 4 2010, 12:30 PM (3,296 Views)
jimboo
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I'll be double checking tonight to see how much the difference is, I always preferred the 1N sound, but that might be psychological. This information will be added to all future listings, anything to bring in more beer money.
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jimboo
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Put it on my retro player which I have and it was all over the place. Plays all right on my other one. Bumped it onto ebay, wife wants to know why I have so many of the same record. So do I? Meant to place that heart next to "wife", oh well.
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the57thbeatle
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Wife should be glad you don't have only one copy of With The Beatles and many wives instead of the other way round.....
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muffmasterh
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Explain to her that if they hadn't made so many different matrices of them in 63 you would have a lot less lol !

I must have at least 8.....plus several stereo's...but I think AHDN runs it close, but the WA is the clear winner in my collection, must have 6 0r 7 top openers and same number of side openers at least...just too many variants lol !!
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Jae
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Was just going through my notes for another reason and came across this...

Not NME, but dated 14 Dec 1963.
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muffmasterh
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but whats the faulty master....it can't be 1N 1N surely there a so many of them...that and 7n are the most common matrix....

maybe its only a specific mother stamper.....

or maybe its 4n 4n ?? not many of those around....hey if there is a 1n 3n 4n 5n 6n 7n maybe its the 2N......??? never seen that wouldn't that be a find

Remember a lot of these ( probably most of them ) were pressed pre release so they could have been in the 4N's when the complaints occurred....

However we know how the tales of this get started and the mistake the press make all the time on these things so it could be just press bs from the period.

Remember EMI randomly play tested batched of records ( and used to stick the " E " sticker on the tested ones until 1965 , in 1963 the E sticker was Red by the way ), I cannot believe it would have got through a play test ok....
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namralos
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Forty MASTERS? No, that's wrong.

Okay, we all know that they didn't run through the alphabet twice on masters. Now 550,000 / 40 = 13,750. That's more like the number of copies for an LP stamper. Maybe the initial run used 40 stampers ... like from G through OO -- allowing for unusable stampers? The rest of 1963 and all of 1964 would have seen many more stampers.

Could be faulty mother, too. At any rate, there weren't forty masters used on ANY ALBUM EVER.

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Jae
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Yes, certainly wrong terminology. Interesting that both articles make the same reference to "faulty master", so presumably that's how the EMI announcement was worded (this latter article has more detail than the NME one, so it's not just simply a matter of the latter sourcing the earlier). Prolly just an attempt by EMI to make it "consumer friendly" (neither mother nor stamper would really make sense to anyone).

But yes, more likely a mother, or possibly stamper. How many metal masters were in existence upon WTB release? To have sold 550,000 copies within a week suggests a few? "1N" I know, but what else?

If there were three or four masters, then, yeah, mother is what they mean (based on an average 10-12 mothers per master). Otherwise, they'd have to mean stamper.

In any event, given 550,000 of the things had allegedly sold, it's all really moot.
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jimboo
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My faulty copy of WTB has 1 over 7 as the mother, I have always assumed that in relation to these double digit numbers it is best to ignore the lower number, 1 in this case and treat the higher number as the mother. So the 7th mother is definitely faulty, any more.

on ebay next week. WTB ultra rare 7th loud cut mother :D
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admiral halsey
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How do I catalogue my WTB lp's?

I have the 1N/1N Jobette listed as a 1st pressing. Now what do I do with my various N/N pressings? Do I lump them together as 2nd pressings(Barring, of course, the Decca one)? I have a variety of G&L/EJD sleeves, only one "got" sleeve though :(

There is a conflict between Yokono's site, 1st, 2nd, 3rd etc, and the one below!

http://thebeatles-collection.com/wordpress...-albums/page/2/

Help!

AH
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TheItalianFab4
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I think the situaion here is obviously confused....

But I'd say that both -1Ns (with corrected and uncorrected labels) can be considered as 1st presses.
The other matrices may be trabsitional ones while -7N probably can be named as 2nd press (as usually done).
I'd say Decca types are 2nd presses as well.

Of course this is only my personal point of view.
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namralos
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The labels are what indicate first or later printings.
1st press = "Gotta"/Jobete
2nd press = "Got a"/Dominion

As for the masters...

-1N/-1N seen with stampers
2GM = 14 and GR = 12;
2GR = 12 and 4AG = 31;
4LA = 83 and 4LO = 85;
3TP = 86 and 5TD = 80;
1 2RDO = 205 and 2OG = 51;
also 7LA = 83 and 3HD = 70.

-1N/-2N seen, with stampers
1 5ROG = 251 and 2 G = 1;

-3N /-3N seen with stampers
3RP = 26 and 1MG = 41.

-3N/-4N seen, but stampers??

-5N/-5N seen with stampers
3OT = 59 and 4HD = 70

-6N/-5N seen with stampers
2LH = 87 and 4LA = 83
also 2LP = 86 and 2TT = 99

-6N/-6N seen with stampers
3OH = 57 and 3PH = 67

-7N/-7N seen with stampers
3OH = 57 and 4ML = 48
3PR = 62 and 4GGA = 113
10RLA = 283 and 10RLD = 280

It looks like they returned master to the rotation later on in the run.

It could be that the copies made with the first mother were the defective ones.
That could amount to 40 stampers.

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warmbuddy
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And as can be expected, just to muddy the waters even more, the 1st press labels have been found on later matrices, in the examples from the link, -5N and -7N

http://z10.invisionfree.com/BeatlesCollect...p?showtopic=164

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admiral halsey
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Thanks for your help guys.

AH
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muffmasterh
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yes it would have been nice to know how to id the faulty ones ;-(

maybe if I scratch a few 1n's lol.....
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