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With The Beatles Matrices; Why so many matrix numbers?
Topic Started: Mar 4 2010, 12:30 PM (3,292 Views)
Spirantho
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Hi everybody,

I think this is actually my first post here. If so - hi. :)
Probably nobody knows the answer, but I'm wondering....
Most of the Beatles discs were printed using one matrix for years. The Please Please Me XEX 421-1 matrix was used into the 70's!
Sometimes, of course, the matrix was wrong so was replaced quickly (c.f. Revolver XEX 606-1, Rubber Soul).

On "With The Beatles", however, -1 was used for a short while - not very short, though, they're quite common.
-2 never came out, as far as I can see. I've never seen one.
-3 then came out and printed a reasonable quantity. I have a -3/-3 with the stamper 4AG on side 1.
-4 was then used and printed a couple of discs - not many. The -4/-4 I have is stamped 1M on side 1.
-5 then came in and was in use for a little while.. I have a -5/-5 with 3HA stamper, and a -5/-6 with 5MD.
-6 arrives - I have a -6/-6 with 3OP stamper.
Finally the normal -7 comes out and churns out millions.

Does anyone know why this album got through so many matrices?

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teenjenerate
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I'm going to top this because I have a similar question.

What do you guys think of the 1n/1n mono presses of WTB that DON'T have the Gotta/Jobete error on the Side 2 label? I wanted to get a first press that was a little cheaper than the error press, so I found one that has 1N matrices but the correct Side 2 labels. It has a correct EJ Day cover, too.
Do you guys think of this as a first press that they just stuck corrected labels on or an entirely different second press? Just curious...
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gxios
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I know that one of the reasons they stopped the "-1" matrix was the bass drum on "Roll Over Beethoven". It's loud and thumping on that one but removed from all other pressings.
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jimboo
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teenjenerate,Feb 2 2012
08:31 PM
I'm going to top this because I have a similar question.

What do you guys think of the 1n/1n mono presses of WTB that DON'T have the Gotta/Jobete error on the Side 2 label?  I wanted to get a first press that was a little cheaper than the error press, so I found one that has 1N matrices but the correct Side 2 labels.  It has a correct EJ Day cover, too. 
Do you guys think of this as a first press that they just stuck corrected labels on or an entirely different second press? Just curious...

I just sold one for a tenner and bought a gotta / jobette for £18, don't know why, I should be looking for the fillers I need. The one I sold definitely played the same, thing is they might actually be rarer with the corrected label. at the moment I have an 1, 5, 6, and 7 plus one in the post, as for the sleeves, have G&L error and corrected and EJ Day Corrected. Havent a clue about the one in the post but definitely very dark cover.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/beatles-vinyl-/2...=item3a6f7bcb48

its like buying a lottery ticket, havent a clue what it is. :rolleyes:
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teenjenerate
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I had a beater 5N/5N matrix, incorrect cover but correct label G&L, decided to upgrade to a 1N/1N in any form. Thinking I should've just held out for the error version, but I've also had trouble getting even nice player copies. This 1N/1N I just got is in pretty good shape, no skips, hardly any surface noise, rather clean. I think it'll do as a keeper copy.
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muffmasterh
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In my experience the 1n1n corrected labels are probably rarer than the jobetes but there are some many of both it's a mute point.

3n 3n and 4n 4n seem to be the rarest matrix with 4n4n comming out top. 1n1n, 5n5n and 7n7n seem to be the most common ..6n6n is scarcer but not as scarce as 3n3n or certainly 4n4n

And what happened to 2n2n ??? I doubt it exists ?

The only true rarity in all this IMHO is to find a decent EJ DAY sleeve copy, GOTTA or GOT A, dark or lighter...I've a couple of beauties corrected and uncorrected but they are not easy to source !

and I've posted before that I have a 69 Mono press with the ridged label edge but still with large mono sleeve and 63 corrected labels.....it seems they still have 63 labels and sleeves left over in 69 and just added them to freshly pressed discs !
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admiral halsey
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I just picked up a copy in fairly good shape which seems to be a mis-match for £12.

I have a rather clean "Day" sleeve with Gotta. The disc is a 3N/4N 3rd pressing. It has some fingerprints and the usual scuffs, but plays nicely without clicks etc.

AH
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muffmasterh
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you did well, its hard to find a clean EJDay....
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OK, now a bit off-topic, but....

I read (page 210 in The True Story Of The Beatles) that an initial pressing of WTB had to be taken back to the factory to be destroyed as there was a problem with Roll Over Beethoven.
Is this just another one of those made-up stories or has this ever been verified? I've certainly never had a copy with a faulty ROB....??
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the57thbeatle,Mar 5 2012
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OK, now a bit off-topic, but....

I read (page 210 in The True Story Of The Beatles) that an initial pressing of WTB had to be taken back to the factory to be destroyed as there was a problem with Roll Over Beethoven.
Is this just another one of those made-up stories or has this ever been verified? I've certainly never had a copy with a faulty ROB....??

Alan Ould made reference to this in a copy of Beatlology a few years ago - apparently the mastering was such that some people (presumably those testing the factory samples?) found the stylus leaping out of the groove!

Which is what gxios was referring to, I think.

I'll try to find the article and confirm the above. Of course, Alan may also have been quoting a known myth... :rolleyes:
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gxios
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I don't know about the needle jumping out of the groove and a recall- there are plenty of -1's out there- it's just that there's a fat bass drum on ROB that isn't on the other masterings. Maybe a Dansette needle had trouble handling it- hard to say.
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the57thbeatle,Mar 6 2012
02:01 AM
OK, now a bit off-topic, but....

I read (page 210 in The True Story Of The Beatles) that an initial pressing of WTB had to be taken back to the factory to be destroyed as there was a problem with Roll Over Beethoven.
Is this just another one of those made-up stories or has this ever been verified? I've certainly never had a copy with a faulty ROB....??

No, it's correct.

From page 7 of the 29 Nov 1963 issue of NME:
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'EMI this week withdrew copies of the new album ("With the Beatles") that had been made from a faulty master. Dealers were urged to return any copies on which the needle jumped'

Not recalled in Australia, or presumably any other country though. I once had a beautiful looking -1N that skipped on ROB, and I could never figure out why until I heard the story.
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Now we will all be playing our 1N's !!! lol
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Great, Jae, that clears that up!
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Like Peter Cook in Bedazzled I had better go around scratching some 1'ns before I list them lol !!!
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