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| What's Catalog Number Lp's Issued In Ecuador ? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Feb 28 2010, 03:10 PM (1,039 Views) | |
| pinio65 | Feb 28 2010, 03:10 PM Post #1 |
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I am seeking the information about catalog numbers of the following LP's: LP: Rubber Soul Odeon LP – 12 – …. ??? [Mono] LP: A Collection Of Beatles Oldies Odeon LP – 12 – …. ??? [Mono] LP: Revolver Odeon LP – 12 – …. ??? [Mono] LP: Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band Odeon LP – 12 – ???? [Mono] LP: The Beatles (White Album) Odeon LP - 12 - 19108 [Mono] ??? LP: Yellow Submarine Odeon LP – 12 – 19263 [Mono] Both Mono and Stereo ? Issued only Stereo with standard mono cat number only on front sleeve the word ESTEREO and at label ??? LP: Let It Be Odeon LP – 12 - [Stereo] |
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| TheItalianFab4 | Jan 26 2013, 11:31 AM Post #2 |
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I'm upping this as I'm sure that now we've got members who can answer.... |
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| pinio65 | Jan 26 2013, 02:56 PM Post #3 |
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1966 LP: Rubber Soul Odeon LP – 12 – 19165 [Tylko w Mono] Ekwador The Beatles Materiał taki sam jak wydanie angielskie z 6.VIII.1965 r. |
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| socorro | Jan 26 2013, 07:42 PM Post #4 |
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We had a thread on this a while back, but I've learned a bit more since then. Here is what I know. There was an initial series of 7 LPs on the marooon or dark green Odeon label. These are: 1. Vol. 1 (LP-12-19084) 2. Vol. 2 (LP-12-19085) 3. Vol. 3 (LP-12-19086) These three have consecutive catalog numbers and were released either simultaneously, or in quick succession. The cover art is the same for all three LPs, adapted from the Conozca A The Beatles -- the first Beatles LP released in Mexico by Musart. The only difference is the number in the upper right corner. Vol. 1 is quite rare, but occasionally shows up (popsike shows it being sold 2 or 3 times in the past 10 years). Vol. 2 and Vol. 3 are even rarer. Collectors Frenzy shows a copy of Vol. 3 selling a few years ago. A Brazilian web site shows pictures of all three volumes, but is down now. Vol. 1 provides further evidence of the connection between Musart (the Mexican company that was licensed to manufacture and sell Beatles records in Mexico before Capitol Mexico began operations in summer 1965) and Industria Fonografica Ecuatoriana S.A. (IFESA), the EMI affiliate in Ecuador. On the label of Vol. 1, the IFESA catalog number is printed, but immediately below that is printed the Musart catalog number for Conozca A The Beatles, D-892. Also, on the rear cover, the track list for all three volumes are printed in a misaligned courier font, suggesting that the rear covers were pre-printed, and then the track lists were added later. The track lists identify the LPs as Conozca A The Beatles Vol. 1, Conozca A The Beatles Vol. 2, and Conozca A The Beatles Vol. 3 -- in other words, the titles are listed using the Musart title, which is seen nowhere else. 4. A Hard Days Night (LP-12-19108) This is basically the UK release. It has the same track list and the cover art work is similar, except the background colors are yellow and blue, instead of blue and red. 5. Vol. 5 (LP-12-19134) With this LP, the connection between Musart and IFESA becomes unmistakable. First, the covers were printed in Mexico (this is stated in small print on the front). Second, the cover art is identical to Musart Vol. 5, with the exception of the circular logo in the lower right corner (Musart Vol. 5 has "Musart" in rainbow letters on a black background, Ecuador Vol. 5 has a white Odeon symbol on a red background). Third, the labels include the IFESA catalog number and the Musart catalog number (D-1018). 6. Socorro (LP-12-19151) This is the Help LP, with a very different cover from the familiar one used in the UK and most other countries. It features a picture of the band on stage. The same picture is used on Musart Vol. 3 (there's Musart again!), Colombia Vol. 4, and Los Beatles, an Argentina compilation with a track list similar to the Uruguay compilation Para Ti. 7. Rubber Soul (LP-12-19165) This appears to be similar to the UK release. However, the only confirmation I have of this LP is a label shot in the Maus book that many of you have. I have never seen the cover. There is no record of it being sold on popsike or collectors frenzy, and my searches for additional information have produced nothing to date. After Rubber Soul it looks like there is a gap of more than 2 years in which IFESA did not release any more Beatles LPs. I have found no evidence that IFESA released Revolver, Oldies, Sgt. Pepper or White Album in the 60s. Sgt. Pepper was finally released in the 80s, and I haven't seen Ecuador pressings of the other three. Then, after this hiatus of roughly 2 1/2 years, IFESA resumed releasing Beatles LPs. These include: 8. Yellow Submarine 9. Abbey Road 10. Let It Be 11. Por Siempre Beatles (a post-breakup compilation that was also released in 1971 or 1972 in Spain, Argentina, Colombia, and Venezuela. The same compilation was released in Brazil in 1972 with different cover artwork, and the title translated into English -- Beatles Forever). These LPs had dark blue and dark green Odeon labels, with a layout similar to the red and black ones used in France and Uruguay in the late 1960s, with a horizontal bar above the hole with small print inside. The remaining mystery is why IFESA stopped releasing Beatles LPs while the group was at the height of its popularity and musical creativity. It may have been somehow connected with internal political unrest (there was a military coup at approximately this time). This explanation is not persuasive to me. Far worse political unrest did not prevent Beatles LPs being produced in Nigeria or Guatemala, where there were civil wars at the same time that killed hundreds of thousands of people. More likely, IFESA decided that trying to produce LPs without assistance from Musart was not worth the effort. The last Musart LP was Vol. 5. , and as discussed above, the it appears that Musart manufactured the covers and likely assisted in the production of the discs. Socorro was the first Ecuador LP released after Capitol Mexico assumed the rights to the Beatles in Mexico, but it used cover art that is virtually identical to Musart Vol. 3. It is an extremely rare LP, which suggests that few were made. Rubber Soul may be the rarest of the Ecuador LPs, even rarer than Vol. 2 and Vol. 3. This suggests that IFESA found it could not produce Beatles LPs without Musart's assistance. In fact, it is possible that the label shot of Rubber Soul in the Maus book was only a mock-up of the label for an LP that ultimately was never produced. We have seen this with other LPs -- there are mock-ups of the cover artwork for Get Back, even though the project ultimately was abandoned, and only revived much later, in different form, as Let It Be. Similarly, there are mock-ups of the cover artwork for a Peru release of the Por Siempre compilation, although the project ultimately was abandoned. As noted above, I have never seen the cover artwork for an IFESA Rubber Soul. I suspect, however, that there was an actual release of the Rubber Soul LP in tiny numbers. Then there is the question of why IFESA resumed releasing Beatles LPs starting with Yellow Submarine. Two plausible scenarios occur to me. First, it may have simply been that IFESA acquired the technology to produce the LPs without external assistance. Second, it is possible that another EMI affiliate (most likely the large EMI operations in Brazil or Argentina) or EMI itself provided the necessary assistance. In addition to the 1980s release of Sgt. Pepper, there was a 1980s release of Hey Jude on red vinyl. If anybody can add anything to this, no matter how trivial, I am an eager audience. |
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| pinio65 | Jan 27 2013, 05:50 AM Post #5 |
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Thanks for info about Ecuador LP's. I have info about LP: Yellow Submarine, Hey Jude and Abbey Road. Pocz±tek’69 Early '69 LP: Yellow Submarine Odeon LP – 12 – 19263 [Mono] ??? Ekwador The Beatles Materiał taki sam jak wydanie angielskie z 17.I.1969 r. Songs like UK issue. Mono or Stereo ??? Marzec '70 March ' 70 LP: Hey Jude Odeon LP – 12 - 19282 [Tylko w Stereo] Ekwador The Beatles Label Blue Odeon EMI "Paper Back Writer" "Revolutions" 1970 LP: Abbey Road Odeon LP – 12 – 19284 [Tylko w Stereo] Ekwador The Beatles These LP's issued only Stereo format ? Lp: Help issued in 1966 ? http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.2...80099304&type=1 |
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| pinio65 | Jan 27 2013, 07:51 AM Post #6 |
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http://www.popsike.com/LOS-BEATLES-HELP-SO...0922426216.html Year ??? |
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| socorro | Jan 28 2013, 06:27 AM Post #7 |
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That is a reissue. I'm not sure the year but my guess would be late 60s or early 70s. Thanks for the link. |
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| pinio65 | Jan 28 2013, 03:25 PM Post #8 |
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LP: Let It Be Stereo ? Uruguay. Cat number ? Year ? |
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| socorro | Jan 28 2013, 03:49 PM Post #9 |
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Let It Be, SAPL-3510, was released in Uruguay in 1970. It was stereo-only. |
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| namralos | Sep 9 2016, 10:04 PM Post #10 |
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I have created a preliminary first edition of what will be my page on the Beatles' releases from Ecuador. According to my own notes and the file dates, I have been working on this page since 2004. Since that time I have never been able to locate copies of Rubber Soul (alleged to exist) Revolver through White Album (presumed not to exist) Let it Be (presumed to exist on a purple label) Por Siempre (presumed to exist on a tan label). I ran a few more searches of the Internet at large (by title and by catalog number) and found nothing. I searched popsike, collectorsfrenzy, and rootsvinylguide and found nothing. OH WELL...I posted my list without them. In recent weeks I discovered a great deal of connections between Ecuadorian Odeon and Argentinian Odeon (Pops) -- including several albums between 1965 and 1968 that clearly stemmed from Argentina. Since Argentina was pressing Beatles albums, one would think that Ecuador would have some. Nope. Ecuadorian singles during the period exist but are SPARSE: "Help" (1966) "Girl" (1966) "Penny Lane" (1967) "Lady Madonna" (1968) "Hey Jude" (1968). So if they were releasing some Beatles records, why not LP's? Perhaps we will never know. Maybe they were banned because of John's comments! http://www.friktech.com/btls/ec/eclp.pdf |
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| socorro | Sep 10 2016, 05:23 AM Post #11 |
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Nice work Frank. Since my post above from a few years ago, I have been able to confirm the existence of Rubber Soul. I have been asked not to share it, but a serious collector provided me photos of both labels. His copy lacks a sleeve. I have not been able to confirm the existence of Let It Be or Por Siempre. At this point, the only indication that they exist is the fact that their entry in the Maus book includes specific catalog numbers. Have you seen anything more for these two? I remain confident that Revolver, Oldies and the White Album were never issued in Ecuador, and Sgt. Pepper exists only as a 1987 release. |
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| namralos | Sep 10 2016, 01:21 PM Post #12 |
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What color (colour) is the label to Rubber Soul? Does it have the rim text like most 1966 records, or does it have the newer label style? Regarding LIB, I was able to confirm the existence of a SINGLE ("Let it Be"/"You Know My Name") with an original catalog number. Every other single of LIB that I have ever seen is a reissue from 1977. I cannot confirm that the LP exists. The label copy MAY mention the album. There is print just above (p) 1970 that appears to read "DE L. P.," but on the copy I saw online the print was unclear. I have changed the catalog prefix for Por Siempre to LP- from LP-12- based on the fact that the prefix change appears to have come before the release of Por Siempre. However, as regards that LP I have only seen references to a catalog number. I searched the "usual sites" plus used google in searches for beatles + catalog number "por siempre" + beatles + ecuador odeon + catalog number ecuador + beatles ecuador + odeon ecuador + odeon + title beatles + "LP 12" beatles + "LP 12" + title beatles + "LP 12" + ecuador On rootsvinylguide I searched simply for "ecuador" and sorted through the past three years of auctions. On popsike I looked for "ecuador" in titles only and for LP title + Ecuador in the descriptions. [Also odeon + ecuador, Beatles + ecuador, Beatles + number, beatles + "LP 12"] If I got a lot of auctions somewhere that listed the countries that they would (or would not) ship to, I added random countries for exclusion. For example: beatles + ecuador -venezuela. When I found other artists who had recorded for EMI (such as Los Wowanco and Los Shakers), I looked for other records by the same artist and read through the back covers of their LP's to see when their records were being issued. I am unable to confirm the existence of either LP, but neither can I confirm the use of their (alleged) catalog numbers by other LPs. |
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| socorro | Sep 10 2016, 03:39 PM Post #13 |
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The pictures seem blue-green, but I suspect that is just the lighting and that it is the usual shade of green found on the other LPs. It is the older style, with the rim print. It has (p) 1966 to the right of the large Odeon symbol on both sides. That "DE L.P." notation on the LIB single is very interesting. Does it look like there was a referenced album title or catalog number that was obscured? Also, is this type of reference to an LP on a single label common? I know that many of the Philippines 78s have references to the corresponding LP catalog number (but not the LP title) for the stereo versions of PPM and WTB, and the mono version of BFS. |
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| namralos | Sep 10 2016, 04:44 PM Post #14 |
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Alrighty. I have annotated the page to indicate that Rubber Soul appears with the usual sea-green label. What I said was that the notation APPEARS to read "DE L.P." This is not obvious. Posted Image As I said, the print is quite unclear. |
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