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Inner Sleeves Id Page; challange the muffmaster with your inner
Topic Started: Jul 10 2009, 04:13 PM (3,461 Views)
muffmasterh
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Thats the problem Will, we can never tell if it for sure isn't a swap, however I'ts totally consistant with a 2/2 Revolver as my date for this inner is late 66 early 67...do we know when mono matrix 2/3 came in ?

However what we should all bear in mind is that all these advertising inners often ran alongside the plain white patents applied for inners whi9ch EMI continued to produce until late 1968 eary 1969 albiet usually for other group labels certainly after 1968...

Anyway the fact that most Oldies come with the white patents applied doesn't mean that my date for the Rubber Soul inner is wrong....
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

As for when the 2/3 matrix came in, I could only guess, maybe theres a clue….. as I have a copy of Revolver that has first press Mono ‘Remix 11’ labels but the records matrix numbers are 2/3 !.

WC.
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muffmasterh
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what do you mean by the labels Will, do you mean " Dr. Robert " ones ??

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Will Cambell
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Yes ‘H’, the very first Mono label that appeared on Revolver, the Remix 11, with the ‘Sans serif Arial’ font as in our Labelographies variation A, with the ‘Dr’ spelling rather than the later font of ‘Times New Roman’, see our variation C.

I’ve also got a copy of Revolver with the ‘Doctor’ spelling on the ‘Times New Roman’ font, see our variation C. These labels are nearly ALL the ‘Dr’ spelling. When the time is right I will provide photos to update our Labelographies.

On the variation D label in the Labelographies, Ive NEVER ever seen a ‘Dr’ spelling on that label !.

WC.

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muffmasterh
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yes i have some issues with the labelographies here, I think the first label is Dr Robert Sans serif for sure but varition C should actually be variaition B and vice versa.

It seems clear that the Sans serif labels are the earliest but the Times New Roman appear slightly later but still with the Dr, robert Error. The Sans serif corrected Doctor labels should then in my opinion be 1c niot 1B
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

Thats interesting, it certainly makes sense, re the issuing of the ‘Dr’ spelling.
As we know that Rubber Soul ‘Sans serif Arial’ and ‘Times New Roman’ labels seem to have been printed at the same time as with Loud cut !.

On the matrices I checked my database and found a 2/2 Revolver as on our Labelographies the second label in variation D the one without the ‘Sold in’ text you would have thought that all these labels would have all been on a 2/3 matrix, being the very last Mono press , as so few turn up !.

I found another one of these sleeves, EMI black and white with Rubber Soul on it,
the guy running a record shop had it behind the counter, I gave him 50p for it, so if we agree its correct, I’ll put it in with one of my 2/2 Revolvers.

WC.
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muffmasterh
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wow I am truely astounded that there was a 2/2 with a 1969 no SIUK label, that really surprised me!

The inner is certainly consistant with your 2/2 Revolver so go for it Will. The Sans Serif vs Times NR thng is an interesting one, the TNR's appear first in late 1965 and we know that Mono Rubber first pressings came with either font but Stereo's only with TNR, the Sans serif not making a stereo appearance till -3-3 matrix probably 1968.

All LP's earlier than Rubber Soul any TNR labels do not appear till after late 1965, Revolver seems to have first been issued with Sans Serif with TNR appearing very shortly after in mono but as far as I am aware no TNR stereo exsists.

Oldies first issues are all TNR, Sans serif comes later.

The latest EMI issued TNR labels that I have seen is on Butterfly by the Hollies which is Dec 1967, I know no other LP's after 1967 that have any TNR labels although I have been shown a 1 or 2 box early 70's label with TNR which looks really odd!
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

Its a fascinating subject these ‘Sans serif Arial’ and ‘Times New Roman’ labels, especially as you say the lack of Stereo copies that had one but not the other..strange, worth opening a new post I think to discuss this in more detail.

Anyway ‘H’, im going through all my inner sleeves i have collected over the past 6 months, I was going to put this Emitex, with NO die cut holes and with rounded corners in with a copy of Revolver, do you think that will be correct ?

WC.
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muffmasterh
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yes mate, I would say that is a good match.

I first saw one of these for sale by Andrew with a Revolver and I found my copy in a " Summer Days " Beach Boys which was first released June/July 66 so I reckon it is bang on although most first issue Revolvers will have the plain patents applied for inners I am sure one or two did have this very rare Emitex patents applied for without the die cut hole...
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britinvasion64
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Its a fascinating subject these ‘Sans serif Arial’ and ‘Times New Roman’ labels


Fascinating!! Will, you must be joking..."dull as ditch water" this unending speculation of meaningless collector's drivel. The music is what truly matters...do you ever listen?

I understand that this is a collector's site, but life must be terribly mundane if you are so thrilled by sitting in your room surrounded by inner sleeves and outer covers in an attempt to put together what could possibly be the proper match. I should thank you though as you have provided much comedy and point of conversation...small things must truly amuse small minds. :D
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Will Cambell
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Lookout guys this idiot is back, I thought we had heard the last from this person,
as they embarrassed themselves last time for the non creative, non product half wit that they are.

You waste your evenings reading all the content of this website and what do you do with that knowledge ?, nothing,… except criticize other peoples efforts, who have the interest, passion and knowledge to build such a website, why don’t you get another hobby you idiot.. like stealing cars !.

You are missing the WHOLE point of what we are trying to do here then you have the arrogance to air your views on a public Forum of you ignorance, why dont you go and graffiti some walls you half wit as NO one wants to read your drivel of your extremely low intelligence that you have… you obviously only hear the Beatles music…. but you have never listened to it !.

WC.
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billstiggins
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We're not the only site that fails to live up to his expectations - click here and scroll to the bottom...

His rants remind me of a bloke that used to live near us - he used to shout at the traffic :)
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britinvasion64
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Thanks Will...you've proved my point...

The minutiae that you thrash about to the point of ad nauseum is usually just based on haphazard subjective opinion which only promotes the onslaught of even more of the same. ;)
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We're not the only site that fails to live up to his expectations - click here and scroll to the bottom...

His rants remind me of a bloke that used to live near us - he used to shout at the traffic :)


great stuff lol lol lol

I think maybe our rude friend is comming onto the wrong sites and should stick to just to the music ones and leave us mundane collectors to our mundane collecting sites where our small minds live happily ever after...

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I understand that this is a collector's site


errr...clearly not lol lol lol !!
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muffmasterh
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PS on the subject of mundane minutiae have you Will ( or anybody else ) seen the other unusual plain white " patents applied for " inner that is totally square ?

I have one on a " Hollies for certain because " which dates from shortky after Revolver...it's clearly EMI and is identical to the usual plain white patents applied for except, well it's square!

There is also a plain white patents applied for inner that has the same rounded corner shape as the patents numbered ones of 1969/70
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