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Inner Sleeves Id Page; challange the muffmaster with your inner
Topic Started: Jul 10 2009, 04:13 PM (3,463 Views)
Baard
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I hadn't seen this thread! :)
I had a look through my inners and found one of these in one of my Help albums.

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muffmasterh
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Well Done, now that is only the Third I have ever seen !!

I reckon that must be EMI's rarest generic inner sleeve, that and maybe the black white advertsing inner with Rubber Soul on it instead of Revolver...
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

You’ve got me hunting now ‘H’, for one of these alternative black n white EMI advertising sleeves with Rubber Soul on, I have looked at all my copies of this sleeve, but no Rubber Soul !, so what Beatle record issue would that sleeve have appeared on then ?, a ‘Dr’ Stereo Revolver, or a 2/2 Mono Revolver ?, as ALL the remix 11 Revolvers I’ve seen have the plain white ‘Patents Applied For’ inner sleeve.

WC.
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muffmasterh
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hehe Will you will be lucky to find one.....

My estimation would be that they date from very late 66 early 1967 and were a kind of prototype for the more common black white ad inner that came in mid-late 67.

In theory they could appear on any Beatle record ( except Pepper ) between late 66 and mid 67 but in practice the black patents applied for inner is by far the most common ...

Have I posted a pic before ?? if not I'll post one....

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Will Cambell
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Hi,

I have had a look back on old posts, ‘Baard’ posted a copy of this sleeve on the 9th July, is that the one ?, the one with ‘Leadbelly’ on ? does it have a reference to Capital / EMI or Parlophone / EMI ?

WC.
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muffmasterh
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Going from memory I think it does..

What is unusual about it is that it has Capitol / Verve / Motown LP's on it as well as HMV Columbia and Parlophone, the later advertising inners are HMV/Columbia/Parlophone only and of course Capitol and Tamla Motown got their own dedicated advertsing inners which laster unchanged until the end of 1970...
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

Ok ‘H’, I except the challenge to find one, as / if ! the weather improves in the UK !! I’ll be out and about doing another one of my favourite pastimes, ‘car booting’, little or no chance of finding any Beatle records, but its a gold mine for cheap, mint inner sleeves !.

WC.

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muffmasterh
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WAY TO GO MATE! Those Vince Hill or Mrs Mill's lps are always a good source...and if you want to check out the Antiques market in Wood St Walhamstow they were doing 8 Lp's for a quid, all crap but worth it for the inners !!
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billstiggins
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I have an inner that came with a -2/-3 mono copy of Revolver that appears to be a generic 'record inner' rather than EMI inner, so I imagine that its been swapped in at some stage.

Anyway, it is die-cut and poly-lined, is blank on one side and the other side features some advice about record care, printed around the centre hole, in a square shape. This side also says 'Made in England' and 'Patent Applied For'.

I can add a photo if necessary, though I doubt that this is an EMI product.
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muffmasterh
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In fact it could be EMI as it sounds like a pre 1958 EMI inner, before the polylined EMITEX inner EMI used a die cut polylined inner with text forming a square around the die cut centre

This sounds very much like yours, a picture would confirm it but from the description I am fairly sure you have a pre 1958 EMI inner...

but yes it is still a swap...
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billstiggins
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muffmasterh,Apr 4 2010
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In fact it could be EMI as it sounds like a pre 1958 EMI inner, before the polylined EMITEX inner EMI used a die cut polylined inner with text forming a square around the die cut centre

This sounds very much like yours, a picture would confirm it but from the description I am fairly sure you have a pre 1958 EMI inner...

but yes it is still a swap...

Ah, thanks for that - you have described what I have. At least whoever swapped it, kept it 'in the family' :D

I'll post a photo in the next couple of days (on the road tomorrow) for completeness.

Edit - and here it is (not the best photo, but you get the idea):

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muffmasterh
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yes thats the chap pre-58 EMI
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

I’ve managed to track down one of these advertising EMI sleeves with Rubber Soul on.

I paid £1 for it in Oxfam, the sleeve came with a copy of a record ‘Sing and Dance party no. 2, by Victor Silvester’, assuming that the main card sleeve and this inner sleeve are the original its interesting to note the date on the bottom flipback of the card sleeve, ‘65/11’ November 1965….so it seems that this inner sleeve ‘could’ go with a copy of Rubber Soul as well as Revolver and maybe a later Beatle LP !

WC.

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muffmasterh
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Well done Will but it's not likely that that inner came anywhere close to 11/65, more like 11/66

They would only advertise records that had already been released, not those that had yet to be released or even those that had just been released, the artwork would have to go to the printers be proofed etc etc, it would probably take EMI months to do that ( lol ). I also suspect ( and this could easily be checked ) that some of the other LP's on that inner date from 1966

However both your record and sleeve could still be correct, the record you bought although first released 11/65 could just be a late 66 or early 67 issue
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Will Cambell
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Hi,

I agree with you ‘H’ on the issue of the dates.

Looking at this inner sleeve, I didnt realise it made reference to Capital / EMI and Stateside and Liberty !!….. the records main card sleeve says Columbia/ EMI, Mono, with a cat ref of ‘33sx 1771’ the record ‘Sing and Dance party no. 2, by Victor Silvester’, is on the blue Columbia label and the matrix and Mother/Stampers point towards it being EMI. This is all assuming the inner sleeve hasn’t been swapped !

I thought this was a UK inner sleeve ? but it’s a US sleeve isnt it ?, so it wouldn’t have appeared on any UK Beatle LP would it !

WC.
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