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| Tweet Topic Started: Mar 12 2012, 04:06 AM (525 Views) | |
| djheydt | Mar 12 2012, 04:06 AM Post #1 |
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Woohoo. I love it, particularly the way the mechanical fingers are digging into the door. Now waiting with bated breath for Thursday. |
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| Crazeyal | Mar 12 2012, 12:04 PM Post #2 |
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Things haven't blown up enough... and she hasn't really fought back.. Methinks she WANTS to be caught.. |
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| papa smurf | Mar 12 2012, 03:27 PM Post #3 |
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Sorry to be picky, but... In the March 8 page, Clarice's arm goes around behind her and around her neck. In the March 12 page, her arm goes around the front, and then comes out from around the back. It switched around...
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| Minivet | Mar 12 2012, 03:45 PM Post #4 |
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OK. A little anticlimactic after #1 and #2, but he hasn't said what he's actually doing yet. I dislike the English-speaking world's bias against cleverness. Cleverness also characterizes Lytton Strachey, Vladimir Nabokov, and Laurence Sterne. Much like other tools, it can be used for good or evil. |
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| Otter | Mar 12 2012, 04:33 PM Post #5 |
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You see a bias against cleverness? I've always seen a bias in favor of: for instance, any Dr. Who episode in the past 10 years raises cleverness next to godliness. |
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| Minivet | Mar 12 2012, 04:48 PM Post #6 |
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I don't see Doctor Who as being in any way representative of the broader culture, although certainly the bias is a lot weaker in the UK than the US these days. |
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| Otter | Mar 12 2012, 05:20 PM Post #7 |
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If we're going after the broader culture angle, then I'd argue it's not a bias so much against cleverness but against general intelligence. And what about trickster myths? People love those! edited for tricky-tricksters. Edited by Otter, Mar 12 2012, 05:21 PM.
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| djheydt | Mar 12 2012, 06:04 PM Post #8 |
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I quote from an old whodunit I just finished rereading.* The perps have been caught and charged (a long string of thefts and two murders in an attempt to cover up), and the amateur detective remarks that the scheme was clever, so clever that it piled complications upon complications and the inherent contradictions are what tipped him off. He says, "Cleverness, as opposed to intelligence, was, you might say, the keynote of the whole operation." Cleverness instead of intelligence, or given priority over intelligence, is ... not smart. The villains in the novel, like Clarice, were so entranced by the cleverness of their schemes that they didn't bother to consider soberly whether they would work. *Rest You Merry by Charlotte MacLeod, Avon, 1979. |
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| Chrysophase2003 | Mar 12 2012, 08:50 PM Post #9 |
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Jealous Reader, Unpublished Writer
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I do so enjoy word meaning discussions. As far as I can tell, cleverness is an amalgam of intelligence, mischievousness, and vanity, effectively comprising the means, motive, and flaw respectively. Were a person simply intelligent, they would not be inclined to take unnecessary risks or so entranced with themselves that they make mistakes. Were they intelligent and mischievous, no one would ever know who done it. Were they merely vain, they wouldn't have been smart or motivated enough to try to plan and commit a "master" crime in the first place. The act of being clever is inherently flawed. A clever criminal is caught because it's not enough to get away with a crime; they have to find some way to share their own awesomeness with others. In other words, they want someone to know that a crime was committed and that they are so clever as to have done it. It's true that we love trickster myths. The reasons are manifold. Tricksters make excellent antagonists. They are random agents of chaos, spicing up what would otherwise be a dull, lifeless order. We admire them for their trickery and ingenuity at getting through difficult situations. But they always come to a rather nasty end, don't they? That cleverness comes round to bite them in the ass. And you might note that any character who is marked as "clever" is completely untrustworthy. Because of tricksters and clever people's displayed contempt for others, I think the English-speaking bias toward cleverness genuine. As for Pat's statement, why would he be worried about Clarice's ghost? I thought she wasn't sufficiently famous to have much in the way of power in the next world. Or would she be able to siphon off of Lincoln like the others? Can the rogue ghosts teleport her out, or have the good-guy ghosts developed an interdiction countermeasure? It's a good thing Pat is an intensely moral person who isn't capable of justifying any action, else his best way to deal with Clarice would be to leave her a mental and physical invalid who was otherwise still alive. That way she's neither in the physical world or the spiritual for quite some time... And I fear that thinking this as the most logical solution to Pat's problems may make me irredeemably evil. Thoughts? Congrats on being an Auntie, by the way! (Edited for evil thoughts about what I would do were I in Pat's shoes and congratulating Otter on the bairn) Edited by Chrysophase2003, Mar 13 2012, 12:23 AM.
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If you can't live without me, why aren't you dead yet? I used to do drugs. I still do, but I used to, too. If God wants all the credit, he's getting all the blame. | |
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| Minivet | Mar 16 2012, 02:49 PM Post #10 |
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I need to stop getting into debates where I don't have a clear enough sense of my own argument to persevere. Starting it all off with an assertion of bias is kinda whiny, anyway. However, I will say that I think you, djheydt and Chrysophase, are overemphasizing the bad associations of "cleverness" in your expansions. |
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| djheydt | Mar 16 2012, 03:12 PM Post #11 |
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Koala Commander
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It may all hinge on a definition of terms. The kind of cleverness I'm thinking of is the type where one is so sharp he cuts himself. |
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